Reddit has never turned a profit in nearly 20 years, but filed to go public anyway::Reddit, the message board site known for its chronically online userbase and for originating much internet discourse, filed for its long-anticipated initial public offering on Thursday.
Problem is the entire concept of a site like reddit being “for profit” in the first place.
I know we all wax nostalgic about the old non-centralized Internet with its various small websites and forums, but one thing I do genuinely miss from those days was that those places existed because the people running them wanted them to exist. They had ads or took donations to keep the lights on, but no one was looking to get rich. Passion, not profit.
The decentralized internet was run more by people, the centralized internet is run by board rooms.
That’s why I like the idea of the fediverse. That is why this place feels familiar to those early days.
I still remember clicking a bunch of irrelevant ads for knives and other weird shit on a forum I visited regularly because the owner said they get slightly more money when ads get clicked on site.
I’m doing my part!
Ads don’t even bother me inherently. It’s part the maximum obnoxiousness of them these days, of course. But most of all, if I do manage to see an ad (like in a mobile app), I get irrationally annoyed at the fact that it is supposed to be tailored to me and yet here I am looking at a 20 second unskippable ad for something I would never in a million years care for.
The “old internet” hasn’t gone away. It’s easier than ever for your average person to set up their own website. Look at all the shit you can do with WordPress, usually for free and usually with minimal technical knowledge or experience. Reddit/Facebook/Google/etc have done nothing at all to prevent people from doing that. The people still choose reddit/Facebook/google. I don’t know we’re supposed to change that without actually removing people’s freedom of choice.
The people still choose reddit/Facebook/google. I don’t know we’re supposed to change that without actually removing people’s freedom of choice.
In my opinion/experience, it’s for a few reasons. People are marketed these centralized platforms, typically they’re very/fairly simple to use, and those platforms already have an established userbase. Combined with the other factors, the userbase will keep growing, which also incentivizes Even more users to adopt the platform.
For most people, there’s no incentive to use some small random forum. And these small random forums aren’t typically run for profit, meaning people aren’t paying for ads for their niche forum or hobby website because it’s just a hobby, not a business run for profit. Whereas people will see countless ads for Instagram or TikTok. Typically, people who don’t block ads, and use these sorts of media didn’t care enough to bother looking for alternative platforms, they couldn’t even be bothered to set up an adblocker.
I have no qualms with a person making a comfortable living off of building a website like Reddit. None at all. I’d rather have someone who’s able to dedicate their full time and even a team to making an experience great for users and making a very healthy living off of it.
But yea, spez is a greedy fuck and the ELT at Reddit are all greedy fucks. Reddit has no business being a publicly traded company.
What I’d really love to see more of is tech co-ops and unions.
With the current wave of corporate tech layoffs, I’m seriously surprised I’m not seeing more movement on the tech unions. Not so surprised I’m not seeing many co-ops since that business model is rarely used, but really should be invested into by more smaller tech shops. Additionally, unless you’re an AI startup or some other buzz-tech startup trying to grift the trend wave, the investor money has mostly dried up outside of a few people that have actual knowledge in the space and understand that there needs to be more diversity in the tech space or else innovation stifles.
honestly, it has the word AI somewhere in their last year activities, even if they don’t do it themselves.
Investors are dumb as fuck, they know nothing about anything other than keywords and hype trains, so with the AI keyword they might go crazy on this.
I keep saying it, the stock market is a mistake for humanity, it doesn’t make sense to put a gambling house in the core of the world economy.
The stock market, much like capitalism in general, is useful if regulated properly, but the inherent corrosive nature of human greed on any regulatory system will eventually erode those regulations down and let this shit run rampant. There are genuine benefits to it, but they’re buried beneath the sheer scale of wealth begetting more wealth at the expense of everyone else.
Part of it is that, to spite it being “gambling”, it sure doesn’t feel like there’s a lot of losing going on with the biggest players. They don’t seem to need to be as careful as you or I would need to be. It’d be one thing if it was fair gambling, but it isn’t.
Every decision made since before the first world war has been a mistake for humanity, from the way we deliver electricity to the way we run the economy to the way we run our education system. Just one big ball of mistakes coming right at ya, all with better alternatives available at the outset, all prejudicially rejected because you can’t make dragon-hoard piles of money those ways.
Pretty soon we’ll all die though, so there’s that.
Perhaps if the ceo wasn’t making like 200m a year, it would show some profits
Not to be that guy, but I think he makes 300k and was given 193m in stock options last year based on some whack evaluation.
Still an utterly insane number, hope they get crushed on the public market
He paid himself 193 mil because he knows its not going to be worth more than 1.93 mil after the IPO.
I’ve spent years watching IPOs, it’s going to get pumped and then dump after a few months. Anyone shorting it after the first couple of weeks is going to lose their ass.
but they’ve cleaned the site up so much! I mean they got rid of all of us, didn’t they
Because the stock market is a scam and whoever is valuing these companies so high is clearly in on it. Any company that has no profit is should be worth nothing in an IPO.
Edit: strikethrough, to be more clearly an opinion.
If a business was actually losing money for 20 years straight then how does it continue to grow? Think about Amazon and how long it wasn’t profitable despite being one of the largest businesses ever in recorded history.
It’s a business scam that’s a legal way of pay significantly less taxes than they normally would.
dont forget getting to gamble with other peoples forced retirement accounts! yay!
Haven’t most places moved to 401ks for this reason? I’d never participate in a pension and I imagine the vast majority of those working in the tech industry are smart enough not to as well
I could be wrong I’m basing all this on assumptions about others intelligence
If a business was actually losing money for 20 years straight then how does it continue to grow?
It’s because it keeps getting funded by venture capitalists, as far as I understand. Keeping it afloat because they believe it will eventually bring a return on that investment.
I feel like investments used to be a reasonable thing. Like some rich fella or a fund organization or something invested in a thing and then a little later (couple years at most I would say) it’s profitable and can start paying back the investment (which was essentially a loan).
Now it’s become more and more pyramid-scheme-esque. You start with a small funding round to get a bit of growth but you still grow faster than profits can keep up with. Then you get a slightly bigger funding round but you also grow slightly faster. Then you repeat this for 20 years and then you have Reddit’s situation I suppose.
But it seems crazy. Why is there so much money in the world being spent for this potential return? I get it, investments do enable innovation and new businesses and all that. That’s the supposed benefit of capitalism. But it’s starting to feel ridiculous when it goes on for so long without ever producing a surplus of value.
Any company that has no profit is worth nothing in an IPO.
I envy people with the bravery to speak passionately about something they don’t understand at all.
How much is it worth for the power to push an agenda onto 850,000,000 people?
Subjective. To whom? That’s the big question. When valuing a company, logically you look at the books. If the books say they cannot survive without continuous investment, they’re not a good financial investment.
You cannot measure the value of Reddit having a lot of users who could, in theory, leave at any moment. It’s not something that can have a value. Therefore it’s made up.
