This might just sound like the same old shit others voice with the recent gaza genocide, but ive hated israel for far longer. In high school i read a book called the olive grove, its based on a true story of a Palestinian family that lost every thing to the zionist movement. It follows 3 generation of the family from the first world war till after the second. It tells of the horrors they faced by the us backed terrorists taking their home and land turning away from the atrocities being committed. Its heart breaking, and when i read it in 2009 i didnt fully understand but seeing all the shit done now, i just think this cycle of hate started and can not be stopped.
Idk what else to say, i mean i could go on and on but i dont have the mental capacity to do so while drinking. I recommend others to read the book, it was a very good read when i was a high schooler and i plan to start it again as soon as i can find my copy.
Here is a link to the book if anyone is interested in reading it https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2327988.The_Olive_Grove
Yeah man idk about worse than nazis. It’s extremely hard to be worse than nazis. You need to go read up on the horrors the Nazis committed before saying anything is worse or as bad as Nazis.
Since we’re talking about hot takes, here’s mine. The Nazis are the most reviled because Hitler did the “unthinkable”: he tried to colonize the colonizers by claiming to be whiter than the whites. So, the atrocities committed by nazis are somehow way more inexcusable than the ones committed by the British over “brown people”. They ran concentration camps too, but since the victims were black, people doesn’t seem too bothered by it.
And don’t get me started about slavery, where people were grabbed and treated like animals, packed in ships as packages, and forced to work in their own concentration camps for the white guys.
What the Nazis did was horrible, but let’s not pretend they’re the only evil ones. Israel is just as bad, the difference being they’re doing it over brown people which makes it somehow more acceptable on the eyes of the world.
Im not going to defend the british empire. But these atrocities are off by a significant factor compared to the holocaust.
There were over 40,000 jewish ghettos and concentration camps.
In the ghettos, jews (and romani, and others) were rationed on 250cal per day, lived 7 to a room. Warsaw ghetto had a peek population of 460,000. At least 300,000 were shot, and a further 92,000 died of starvation and disease. Despite thousands (if not 10s of thousands) of people being forced into the ghetto, the population never increased.
Auschwitz had the highest survival rate of the concentration camps, where 1.1 million died of the 1.3 million that went “through” that camp.
Yes, the british empire has done horrendous things. But nowhere on the scale and ferocity of the holocaust.
I think the early 1900s were very dark, and a lot of people did horrendous things. Actually, probably doing a lot of horrendous things in the 1800s as well.
Id like to think humanity has learned since then
There is also another aspect:
While many European empires colonized and oppressed the local populations brutally, eradication was never the point. The point was always extraction of wealth.
With the Nazis there was not even a pretense of working towards any goal other than complete annihilation. The Nazis engineered death according to modern, industrial principles. They did not just dehumanize their victims by declaring their lives worthless. They calculated a value of exactly what it was worth to extinguish a jewish/handicapped/lgbtq/communist/sinti/roma/non-white life and then went about spending that money as efficiently as possible.
In other genocides you will see wanton bombings, mobs raging through the streets, sieges denying food and resources to areas. But you will not see reports from bureaucrats complaining that shipping of this load of victims to that camp was inefficient and they should have been sent to a different camp to save costs instead.
Israel is not the Nazis. Still bad though.
Israel is restrained by modern morality. We didn’t see Hitler coming, and we didn’t care back then. We do care now. If Israel went ahead with cattle cars and gas chambers and ovens they’d get curb stomped by the world. Israel has to tread carefully, portraying this as a war on terror instead of what it really is: mass extermination. Plus they literally cannot just mow down the whole populace, again because the world hasn’t forgotten Hitler and would shut them down. They have to boil the pot more slowly… because scrutiny has increased as have standards of human rights.
Without all those restraints…
Most Israelis are now ‘brown’ people of Arab or North African descent. They’re also the group that is most likely to support (far-) right parties.
I’d like some source on that because the rise of the far right on the EU and USA says otherwise.
If they were even close, there would have been nothing left of Gaza after the first three days. Everyone that managed to survive somehow would be in concentration camps already. So yeah, not even close. Still bad tho…
Just because israel is going about their genocide differently doesnt make it less evil. They have the support of many countries that felt bad for what hitler did to them. So of course they are keeping a line of not going to far in order to stay looking like a good guy.
So by your logic this is equal in evilness
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_committed_by_Nazi_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation
17 million is a larger number than 30,000.
That doesn’t make what the Israelis are doing excusable or any less of a crime. It does mean what they’re doing isn’t on the same scale as the Nazis.
The nazis had about a decade to commit evil, but israel has been at it for 70+ years. We dont even know all the horrible things that have been done. So no ill stick with worse then nazis. This is unpopular opinions after all.
Yea and I respect the community, not downvoting you for doing exactly what this community is for lol
He’s downvoted by people who can’t accept the truth. This happens all the time to me especially if I mention the word Zionist/Zionism.
I had actually been trying to think of a truely unpopular opinion, and it finally hit me to post this. Its a shame i dont know how to fully explain my deep hatred but the general idea is all thats needed for an unpopular opinion lol.
They’ve become monstrous, but don’t forget who fed the beast and always looked the other way when it bit a neighbour. So much American money has been given to them over the decades that AIPAC spends a lot of money making sure it doesn’t stop. Meanwhile Netanyahu has indirectly enabled and supported Hamas so his casus belli stays in play perpetually
I agree, he litteraly helped hamas to the point where an attack of this size could be half justified. Bibi wanted the attack to happen, and he plans on wiping out as many people as he can before its not politicaly beneficial. Then they will just get another to do the same in a few years untill israel controls everything.
Most popular opinion on lemmy …
Israel bad is the most popular, as bad as nazis… yeah i think ill get a lot of people disagreeing.
Yeah, but there isn’t any nuance on lemmy, so in this context bad and “as bad as nazis” literally mean the same.
My comments wouldnt be going negative if that was the case. But it could just be israel simps.
Worse than Nazis? Thats a pretty ignorant thing to say
Zionists and Nazis both are fascists so it makes sense you feel that way.
