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The U.N. team said it also received information from institutional and civil society sources and direct interviews, about “sexual violence against Palestinian men and women in detention settings, during house raids and at checkpoints” after Oct. 7. The detention centers were in Israel.

The U.N. team said it raised the allegations with the Israeli Ministry of Justice and Military Advocate General, which said no complaints of sexual violence against members of the Israeli Defense Forces had been received.

One side is a literal terrorist group and the other is supposed to be the beacon of freedom and western values…

But Israel denies it ever happens and not only doesn’t investigate reports, they don’t actually record them anywhere.

It’s state sponsored and approved.

Which explains why the people who have been their victims for generations sink to the same level as their oppressors.

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I thought we knew this already

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We know that the initial allegations from NYT were completely false and made up. And that there is zero forensic evidence. This just seems like another PR stunt from israel.

Edit: New breaking points video detailing how broken this report is. A big takeaway is this quote from the UN "investigator"herself:

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I don’t think NYT was the only one making those allegations. They came from many directions afaik.

This just seems like another PR stunt from israel.

This is from an UN team of experts though

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NYT hired an ex-IDF soldier to scourge for any allegation of rape. The statements which were made in that article have all been proven false or non-credible as their stories changed multiple times.

As this report contains no additional information or facts it seems they just copy-pasted the NYT stuff.

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This is completely, utterly uncontroversial, except by a subset of the extreme far left at war with reality. Let’s see where the downvote ratio ends up.

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What’s controversial is the depiction of Palestinians as rapists and outlining a systemic, racial, or cultural issue of rape within Arab populations, then pointing to the few instances it does occur as proof for a racist point of view.

Both parties are guilty of rape and sexual assault. None of that is okay. However only one is being racially profiled as having an innate proclivity for rape.

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I just saw people saying the attackers raped people during the attack.

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Nobody is saying this. It’s kind of racist to even assume people are, actually.

Hamas raped a bunch of people on October 7th and the far left can’t handle that without making it a systemic race issue. That’s pretty fucked up.

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You are ridiculous. First you spread misinformation about the ICJ ruling, bending what the ruling meant. Now you are trying to use a ‘no, you’ card to bend my words and pretend that there hasn’t been a racist campaign against Palestinians and Arabs for decades.

There were likely rapes that occurred on October 7th, and there have been rapes of Israeli detained Palestinian hostages as well. How can you not see that one is now being used as a racial justification for genocide while the other is ignored.

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It’s hard to believe when israel lies about everything constantly. Once people saw how the 40 babies rumor was being spread by israel, it’s normal to be critical of information.

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I encourage you to look into how an Israeli soldier saying “1 decapitated, 40 burned” got turned into “40 decapitated” by a game of telephone. The Israeli government never claimed that, and clarified when they got asked by journalists.

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Israel and Hamas are both bad, roast me

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That’s not really the point here. If you haven’t noticed, recently a lot of people on Lemmy have been suggesting that the reports of rape on Oct 7th were made up or propaganda.

The UN saying that it likely happened is important to counter that propaganda.

Similar to if reports of shooting civilians by IDF were being denied but then validated by 3rd party investigators, rational people should rightfully want to see that spread to counter misleading propaganda.

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So the conclusion is that there are rape happening on both sides in a war. That is somewhat unsurprising considering they hate each other and are distinctly different groups of people. Why is it being tolerated by the organisations involved? Probably they are not prioritizing the issue. Why would they deny that it is happening? Probably for PR reasons. They prefer dealing with it internally, at a later date, when it is convenient.

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Isn’t rape one of the normal aspects of war anyway? Or am I missing something here.

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lets not pretend anything about war is normal, please.

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