Dumb ass dems have themselves a pretty sweet situation, they get to perpetually be shitbags, put up shit candidates, line their pockets with dirty war money. All because they only have to be slightly better than the shitbag on the other side of the isle. We Americans really are getting fucked. For a LONG TIME. We have been drug into a hole that will take us decades to get out of. And the dems are jut taking advantage of the lowered ethical standards.
They will still lose this election. And they will blame the people that didn’t show up to vote for their shitbag candidate. Fuck them all, greedy fucks. Our children will suffer.
We suffer because of idiots like you and the right doing their best to drag us back to the dark ages. I hope one day you gain enough knowledge to realize how stupid what you just wrote is.
What about my comment is incorrect? Do you actually like Biden and think he is the best person for the job? I am still going to vote for him in November. Because he is slightly less shitty than the other shitbag. I’m just pissed off about being forced to do so. I am pretty politically active and I always vote. There are a lot of people like me that won’t take the time out of the day to stand in line and vote for Biden, and I don’t blame them. However, there are a ton of morons that will do it for Trump. Trump is going to win. And it will be the dems fault. Just like 2016. Should be an easy election but they have to go as far to the right as possible and take advantage of the situation to get a controllable sock puppet in there, to the point that we have to worry that a bankrupt, corrupt criminal that is guilty of sedition the last time he lost an election is a candidate we actually have to worry about. This election should be a slam dunk. But here we are, and they know exactly what they are doing.
You make a lot of good points. It sucks to choose the lesser of two evils but at the end of the day it’s still the best choice. I agree the Democrats could do better, and there is still no excuse for genocide, but no one will listen to your points until you get over the name calling and mud slinging.
I really wish the dems would run more progressive candidates, but time has told them to run right-leaning centerists, both because that’s what gets votes from everyone who doesn’t want to be a theocracy/dictatorship (“vote blue no matter who”), and because that’s the best the conservatives have historically been willing to work with. (Plus their owners want that, let’s be real)
They haven’t realized the rules have changed and conservatives won’t work with anyone who isn’t them, and it’s going to be their downfall. We need to fight the maga crowd with progressive candidates, not democrats. But they need to run as democrats or they stand no chance. So basically we are fucked.
If the voters, in large, supported progressive ideas as strongly as you do, Democrats would be passing more progressive laws. The issue is, you are outnumbered by people who don’t care as much as you. By people who have no interest in paying attention, much less participating. Those, like the person you were replying to, who are more willing to give up than to make change. The fight isn’t being upset that Democrats aren’t more progressive, many would be more progressive if it reflected what the voters want. The fight is energizing the voters about progressive ideas. And painting Democrats, who are immensely more progressive than conservatives, as the problem does nothing but destroy that energy.
That is very naive. Most places don’t have actual progressive candidates to even vote for, when they do come up they face amazing odds with smear campaigns…
To say nothing of the fact that what actual people want makes no difference. Popular support for thing going up doesn’t mean it’s more likely to be legally supported… unless rich people want it.
https://www.vox.com/2014/4/18/5624310/martin-gilens-testing-theories-of-american-politics-explained
If your strategy is to choose the lesser evil, evil always wins.
As opposed to? You either choose the lesser evil, choose the greater evil or you opt-out which in turn is choosing to allow the greater evil. You aren’t choosing good by not participating.
Vote your ideals in the primaries. But when the general election comes along, you choose the best option. Simple as that.
The lesser of two evils is enabling a genocide. When do you guys rise up?
The greater of two evils will accelerate the exact same genocide in question (Gaza) and enable genocide in other areas, e.g. Ukraine, and possibly Taiwan in the future if and when that situation escalates. This is not the argument to make, unless you’re intentionally arguing in bad faith.
Biden and the Democrats have already taken away abortion rights and are in no rush to give them back. I’m tired of them getting away with it because “it was the Republicans who pulled the trigger.” Ya, and the Dems stood by and did nothing to stop it for 51, God damn, years
not a fan of biden, but saying he took away abortion rights is literally wrong and anyone reading this should question why someone would frame it that oversimplified way.
Questioning that leads me to think that while the commenter is literally wrong, they were not attempting to state a literal fact. They are trying to point toward inaction (re: abortion not being codified) and equating it to the action of criminalisimg abortion (even laying blame on the inaction over the action).
That’s obviously literally false, but it’s also pretty clear to me that isn’t the point they were making, which you appear to have chosen not to engage with. Anyone reading this should question why logical one-ups take precedence in discourse over addressing the material argument. Just an outsider perspective, what I don’t see here is any reason for animosity for placing blame on democrats for something they were inarguably involved in. When blamed by someone totally estranged from the right, that feels the D’s are supposed to be their representation, it’s pretty piss poor representation in some respects and arguing it isn’t just seems ridiculous to me
Anyone reading this should question why logical one-ups take precedence in discourse over addressing the material argument.
Instead I challenge folks to consider what place illogical and false statements have in a discussion, especially when there’s no acknowledgement of exaggeration, and it’s over a medium that allows for no additional context (Lemmy comments). Say what you mean, and mean what you say. Your best friends might know that you’re actually a fairly well informed person who just exaggerates a little when getting on your soapbox, but there is no such assurance of that online, we’ve all read far more insane comments.
A certain orange Cheeto always had his acolytes interpreting his statements by going “what he REALLY meant was…”, let’s do our best to avoid ambiguity where we can.
“It’s as if the Democrats banned abortion by not taking action while roe v wade was enforced”
nope. i’m immeasurably frustrated with the system as a whole and believe biden to be cut from the same cloth as other presidents: barely disguised puppets for the ownership class that are forced to make impossible compromises at the expense of the working class.
they keep wars going for profit. they play with our lives for profit.
that includes people who spread misinformation in order to suppress voter turnout because they falsely equated their vote to a personal endorsement rather than a chess move.
but if it makes you feel better continue to think of me as a biden loving fool who you can write off in your culture war against whatever.
i’ll be here doing direct action, calling for unionization, and getting people out to vote especially in local elections.
All your comment is is noise in a sea of misinformation. What could Dems have done to prevent the Supreme Court, one of the branches of government that controls the laws, from rolling back abortion protections? Do you even understand how American politics works? Are you a Russian bot?
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/410/113/
Has the Justice’s opinions. Relevant quote:
We, therefore, conclude that the right of personal privacy includes the abortion decision, but that this right is not unqualified, and must be considered against important state interests in regulation.
From day one of Roe vs Wade everyone knew that in order for this to stick it needed to be put in federal legislation. Every time this was brought up, Democrats say that there was no way Roe v. Wade would be overturned. And here we are, Roe v. Wade is overturned. Are the Dems furiously trying to ram through legislation to give back abortion rights? No. They are campaigning that this time will be different while Womens’ lives are endangered.
Oh and Roe v. Wade being overturned puts all 14th amendment decisions in jeopardy. Can’t wait for these same empty promises to be dug out when the conservatives start targeting interracial marriages next.
Democrats didn’t overturn RvW, tho…
No, they didn’t codify it into law, but that’s not the same action. Nor would it have been super easy to “just” codify it.
Sadly yes. Voting Biden. But I consider them to both be pieces of shit. Different pieces of shit, yes, but still pieces of shits
When crapping on Bidey boi I’d recommend letting folks know that part.
Personally I can be tough on him again after the election. This is an unfortunate time to express certain entirely reasonable and truthful feelings. Feeling the way you do means you’re an ally to what’s good in the world. Expressing it right now could be counterproductive to those same sensibilities.
That’s all I have on self censorship for now :)
3rd party in 2024 is the only way to escape the MIC
I’ll vote third party anytime someone has a realistic chance to win, but that’s not the U.S. presidential election. There’s a reason for the trope “throwing your vote away”.
In an ideal world we’d get rid of the electoral college and implement ranked choice voting. Until then, the primaries are where we maybe have some chance to influence who becomes president.
If the uncommitted vote wasn’t obvious, there 100% will be a strong front-running 3rd party here in a couple of weeks or so.
Esp once those 3rd parties see the amount of dissent that exists surrounding the 2 main candidates
From your other comments seems like you’re trolling.
But for anyone else reading this: I had seen numbers between 10-20% from Michigan and Minnesota for people who voted “uncommitted” in the primaries. There is smaller turnout for primaries than general elections, and democrats are only half or so of the turnout at the general election.
It’s extremely unlikely that a 3rd party candidate will win with a fraction of the primary voters who are a fraction of the general election voters. If people went forward with a 3rd party candidate it does seem likely it could throw the election to Trump.
I support the uncommitted campaign in so far as it alarms Biden about losing voters who want to see action protecting Palestinians and makes him change his positions.
I don’t think those same people should vote 3rd party during the general election because of the classic bullshit choice we have to keep making: the lesser of two evils.
Let’s also remember: there are many obstacles to even getting listed on the ballot, and those requirements vary state by state. Even if someone well funded decided to run today, it’s unlikely they could get their name on the ballot in every state. (So add ballot access reform to the wishlist along with ranked choice voting and eliminating the electoral college)
The sad reality when Americans haven’t even heard of the shackles on their ankles.
It’s so bizarre to me that the world over personality is a trait that the media seem to think I care about.
If they will actually govern the country with something approaching talent and not siphon money off into their own pockets that’s about as much as you can really ask for.
The bar for politicians is so low that being entirely average is exceptional.
