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having contributors sign a CLA is always very sus and I think this is indicative of the project owners having some plans of monetizing it even though it is currently under AGPLv3. Their core values of no dark patterns and whatnot seem like a sales argument rather than an actual motivation/principle, especially when you see that they are a bootstrapped startup.

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I mean anybody can fork it and keep developing it without a CLA under AGPL3.

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Yeah it’s easy to fall into a negativity bias instead of doing a risk benefit analysis , the company could be investing money and resources that could be missing from open source projects, especially professional work by non programmers (e.g. UX researchers) which is something that open source projects usually miss.

You could probably figure it out by going over the contributions.

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Of course, I am not against software being open-source, and I much prefer this approach of companies making their software open-source, but it’s the CLA that really bothers me. I like companies contributing to the FOSS ecosystem, what I don’t like is companies trying to benefit from free contributions and companies having the possibility to change the license of the code from those contributors

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Thanks for pointing that out—looks like they’re working on a Server Suite. I’d guess that they try to monetize that but leave the personal desktop version free

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I’m starting to come around to big corps running their custom enhanced versions while feeding their open source counterparts with the last gen weights. As much as I love open source, people need to eat.

As was mentioned, if they start doing something egregious, they’re not the only game in town, and can also be forked. Love it or hate it, a big corp sponsor makes Joe six-pack feel a little more secure in using a product.

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Free as in freedom, not free as in beer.

GPLv3 allows you to sell your work for money, but you still have to hand over the code your customers purchased. You buy our product, you own it, as is. Do whatever you like with it, but if you sell a derivative, you better cough up the new code to whoever bought it.

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I’ve been using Jan for a while now. It’s great!

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Is there a model you prefer? I’ve been throwing the exact same question to different models and they seem to all give a very similar answer.

Also, how is it getting certain information if it’s all offline? For example, I asked it to recommend some bike products, and gave very specific brands and models.

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I use Stealth or Starling, usually.

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Train it online. Use it offline.

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That’s crazy impressive, though. I’ve been playing with it more, and it’s very specific about certain things. I guess you can hold a lot of data in the GB of space these models use.

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Trinity stood out the most to me, it seems to have less unnecessary fluff

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Would you say it’s noob-friendly?

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It’s extremely noob friendly. You really don’t need any prior knowledge to start using this.

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Yes

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Very. Just have a good enough internet connection and hardware to download and run models. Interrupted downloads must start over. 4-41 GB. Otherwise find the source, use wget, and download to the correct folder.

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Is it better than GPT4All? Do they provide their own model(s) or do we have to download it from other sources?

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The provide a hub of models, in my case it was better than gpt4all because it didn’t crash, but I also think it has a nicer user interface.

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that runs 100% offline on your computer.

Goddamn, that’s wonderful!

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Anyone interested in a local llm should check out Llamafile from Mozilla.

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Does this differ from Ollama + Open WebUI in any way?

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Depends. Are either of those companies bootstrapping a for-profit startup and trying to dupe people into contributing free labor prior to their inevitable rug pull/switcheroo?

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Do explain how you dupe people into contributing free labor and do a switcheroo with an open source project. All the app does is just provide a nice UI for running models.

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I think they meant to imply that the original post (not yours) had suspicious intentions, while the ones you cited were more trustworthy

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This is a desktop application, not something you need to host.

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Ok I tried it out and as of now Jan has a better UI/UX imo (easier to install and use), but Open WebUI seems to have more features like document/image processing.

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