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Linux requires you to venture into the command line

No it doesn’t. I choose to use the command line because it’s more efficient which is entirely different.

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I can’t remember the last time I had to use the command line to do something that wasn’t me writing/publishing code or managing a server. It may have been years.

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fully agreed. shure a barebones install of just the distro and no DE needs command line but once you have the DE you in theory never need it again. but i still prefer Entering a command. faster and more efficient instead of navigating 1000 menus

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10 points

Totally agree with this. The more you understand the terminal, the more you know how fast and efficient command line is (not for all activity, but many of them are easily done through command line) rather than through UI. But it takes time to understand, not in insant.

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I agree. If anyone looks at windows support you will find the command line as well. It is much easier to copy paste a specific command than to try and diagram a series of paths and clicks to get something done. Neither OS requires it, but support is much easier when you do.

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Double agreed. The amount of time I spent in a command prompt on Windows this week, you’d think I was working on a headless Linux server. XP

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2 points

This is pretty much PopOS. Especially with how drivers are integrated into the package manager app.

Nowadays you dont gotta use the terminal very often, but I agree that we can do more to make common tasks powered by the GUI instead, or implicitly work out of the box.

My pain point with Linux atm is how my Laptop’s HDMI output doesnt work unless I’m on Nvidia-only graphics. Not only does that require logging out to switch, but it takes a command line program AND it stills feels like a broken workaround for something that would “just work” on Windows.

DisplayLink drivers also suck ass too, sadly.

Other than that, which is a pretty big pain point for new users, Linux is definitely as “out of the box” if not moreso than Windows, regardless of the distro.

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How long ago was this written? Sure it’s not perfect but you can run a lot of distributions like fedora, ubuntu, opensuse etc etc whatever exactly as described. Maybe this is a joke I didn’t understand lol. But in case it is not:

  • No need to use command line if you don’t want to
  • Drivers are installed automatically (okay this might depend on the distro but in OpenSUSE I recall this being possible in a GUI)
  • There is a steam flatpak, and most user apps can be installed through a GUI, often as flatpaks
  • For a user like this, I see no reason to interact with system packages other than choosing when to update.
  • I’m a programmer and even I rarely edit ANYTHING in /etc on my desktop. Sure I edit stuff in ~/.config, but that is not stuff a “normal” user would need to do.

Now sure if you want to start customizing your login screen and this that and the other thing, eventually you will have to run something on the command line. But Windows doesn’t allow much customization beyond changing your desktop background, and pales in comparison to the amount of customization you can do with KDE, all through a GUI

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While it’s true that Windows offers less customization than KDE, it offers way more than vanilla GNOME.

I found a lot of customization options on W11, some that aren’t even available on KDE (ex: touchpad gestures configuration)

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What you’re saying is correct but all the things you’re describing are not 100% foolproof. Flatpaks are community maintained and can contain misconfigurations.

Also the sandboxed nature and all these foreign concepts for new users would have a user question why they’re not seeing their folders or why their cursor or theme doesn’t match their system.

These systems are great but they’re not nearly as polished as Windows and Mac.

It’s great for us but Linux has always struggled with any semblance of full polish. I think you’re overestimating the average computer user. Probably Ubuntu based distro’s are still as close as we got to an OS for the regular person.

The introduction of new concept could be mitigated by a proper system of introducing and explaining these to a new user but it’s difficult not to overwhelm them with info or keep them engaged and willing to learn.

TLDR;

True but it’s not that simple

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I think the appstore / sandbox / flatpak situation is actually quite accessible to a younger audience that grew up with smartphones. They don’t deal with files much

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Not to mention the fact chromebooks exists where local files are a mere joke and everything get’s uploaded to Google Disk or an alternative to that and they have never been more popular. The average person doesn’t save a word-processing document on a computer locally, they save it on a cloud and trust whoever owns that cloud service.

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lets be real windows isnt polished either. the windows control panel and settings situation highlights that.

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At least they work.

I’ve always had issues with Linux that I’m happy to solve and capable of solving but a regular computer user would not know what to do.

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It’s true. On the other hand distros like Zorin or Pop!_OS don’t need the command line and work “out of the box”.

The real problem being that, Linux users are nerds. And once you get use to power, you can’t imagine a time where you did not have that power. That is why when a newbie asks “what linux should I use”, the answers are never the right ones. It’s always : you can use that to do that, or that one is better for that aspect or […] omitting the simple fact that before all of that, to have more Linux users, the goal is NOT to scare them. Give them something easy, that works. They’ll eventually figure it out.

That’s the point of the article. It’s well written. It’s spot-on.

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ChromeOS right? Is that the answer to the blogs unanswered question? Of what if Linux but supported by a MAANG company made for people who don’t want to delve into computer science or engineering or tinkering.

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