Got a non RT source, not that I doubt this, but libs will immediately go “RT is state backed” or whatever.
It doesn’t matter. The source of the claims is the Russian government. That automatically discredits it in the minds of liberals whether it’s Russian media, Chinese, Turkish, or French.
Especially since the entire west has been going suspiciously hard from day one on “this was ISIS-K, no one else, Ukraine is not involved” being repeatedly parroted with the subtext that any suggestion otherwise is Russian propaganda and excusing escalation towards Ukraine. Day two they were already accusing Putin of using the attack to justify an increased response to Ukraine and calling it crazy.
It’s unfalsifiable. If the Russians say it then they’re liars because they’re Russians and evil Putin is a dictator who maybe did it himself to get at Ukraine or something for some reason. If a western source says it they’re Russian agents, been duped by Russia, are doing Russia’s dirty work. There is no win here if you’re trapped in the liberal paradigm of the aggressor Russians and Putin as a modern Hitler.
The sources for the investigation into the money are not going to be something open source intelligence can discern, you’re not going to likely have reporters able to get access to trace money the way a government intelligence agency can so by its nature it’s what government do you trust.
All you can do is point to people with ISIS patches pictured in Ukraine. Can point to old stories about Turkey opening a corridor for fighters (including ISIS but not usually mentioned) to go from Syria to Ukraine to fight Russians. Can point to the inconsistencies in this attack’s methods of operation and past ISIS and islamic extremist tendencies and point to the Ukrainian regime’s history of targeting civilians in drone attacks even deep in Russia. All things liberals will brush aside and deny.
Some more interesting stuff:
“West protests too much about Kiev’s possible role in Moscow terror attack – Lavrov” https://www.rt.com/russia/595090-west-suspiciously-denying-ukraine-crocus/
The intensity of their insistence on Ukraine’s innocence is unusual, the Russian foreign minister has said
“The West is actively trying to convince everyone that this is the work of ISIS and there is no longer any need to suspect anyone, especially Ukraine,” Lavrov told Izvestiya in a video interview published on Friday. “They keep insisting that Kiev is not to blame, to the point where it’s becoming obsessive.”
“We have repeatedly said that we do not make any final conclusions until the investigation is completed. The investigation is still working on the facts, new circumstances are being revealed, but we simply do not have the right to exclude obvious possibilities,” the foreign minister said.
Meanwhile, Lavrov said, the West is “suspiciously active” in trying to persuade everyone that Ukraine had nothing to do with the attack.
I know where I am and I know this is going to net me a ban, but…
You guys really think the west wouldn’t be interested in discrediting the notion that Ukraine had to do with the terrorist attacks even if it was 100% unambiguously isis?
Saying “well the west protests too much I think” without evidence one way or the other is literally psyops propaganda built on speculation, designed to confirm a bias. Just like everything putins administration comments on.
Saying “well the west protests too much I think” without evidence one way or the other is literally psyops propaganda built on speculation, designed to confirm a bias. Just like everything putins administration comments on.
Yeah, despite me not being in 100% agreement with a lot of people in this sub, I have definitely had some academically honest and rewarding discourse in here, especially about macroeconomics.
That being said, I don’t really see the same level of reason being applied to this particular claim, and the amount of cyclical reasoning being validated in these comments is worrying.
Hypothetically If the US were monitoring the negotiation of the attackers and the priest what would they do? Your enemy is going to be attacked by a third party, do we warn them?
Well let’s say you don’t warn your adversary, they may just assume you did it, especially if they found proof you knew it was going to occur. Or they could just propagandize off of it, knowing well that you had nothing to do with it.
Let’s say you do warn them, they may brush you off, but hey that’s their choice, but it does give you the potential of possible deniability. Or they could listen, increase security and potentially hand you a minor moral victory.
Now let’s assume this was sponsored by the west.
What is the net gain or loss involved with warning your enemy of a potential attack? Well, if they are pretty much the same as what happened if they weren’t responsible, then I don’t really see how it really support a claim either way.
One way to look at it is to think of the behavior itself as a type of enemy.
Despite Russia being the West’s adversary, so is Terrorism, at least ostensibly.
It could be like “Yeah we’re Ukraine’s ally, but we don’t condone terrorism so we’re going to warn”.
Note I have no knowledge of the specifics of this event other than the absolutely highest-level “there was a terrorist attack in a moscow theater”. Just discussing the “game theory” of why someone like the US or France might warn Moscow of a terrorist attack even while in a proxy war with Russia.
I mean, maybe that’s naively idealistic of me, but it’s a way to reason about whether or not to support it.
maybe because it was clear very early on that the kremlin would try and pin this on ukraine
Unsurprising unfortunately
How is it that they seem to be acting in such a way that Russia not only has nukes but the largest stockpile in the world.
