congratulats to the people liking them i guess. i personally dont get it, since most languages are written horizontally and i like ux to reflect this structure. such things are subjective though

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I think you’re missing what’s going on. The text is still written left-to-right. You don’t need to read the tabs vertically. The tabs are stacked on top of each other in the sidebar instead of lined up along the top of the window.

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I believe their point is that their language is left to right, so it just makes sense to them to have the tabs structure left to right as well.

I happen to share this sentiment, but can understand why some people may like it different.

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12 points

Try out Tree Style Tabs for an hour. I’m curious how you’ll feel about it.

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This is my main, but I struggle to find a good CSS theme that integrates with this instead of Sidebery.

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I’ve been using TST for years and while it can be a bit buggy at times I couldn’t imagine going back to the default tab system.

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The counterpoint is since 16:9 became the de facto standard for monitors, vertical resolution is at much more of a premium than horizontal resolution is.

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i get where youre coming from, but imho the eye tends to parse information more effectively if delivered vertically, since it knows it that way from other media. just my personal opinion though.

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Then why I struggle a lot to navigate through Discord compared with any other messaging app, such as Telegram, don’t answer, probably because Discord UI is trash.

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Not to mention that most sites will put their main content into a container with a limited width anyway, since overly long lines are awful to read. So unless you’re using the browser side-by-side with other content on a low-res monitor it’s a net benefit. And even if it’s not I usually find the extra vertical space to be worth more, as you said.

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since most languages are written horizontally and i like ux to reflect this structure. such things are subjective though

You might be misunderstanding what we mean by vertical tabs - we aren’t literally turning the tabs sideways and putting them on the side of the browser. We’re placing the tabs, still horizontal, into a stacked, scrollable list on the side of the browser. The superiority of this display method for tabs on widescreen displays is not subjective, and here’s why:

  1. Tab titles are not typically very long, but there tend to be a lot of them. This data is far more readable and accessible as a bulleted list than a long paragraph.
  2. Beyond about ten to fifteen tabs, tabs displayed at the top, side by side, must either shrink and obscure the title, go off-screen and be invisible without scrolling, or stack in multiple rows across the top. A vertical tab setup can easily display 30-40 of them in a vertical list, all with the maximum visible amount of their titles which helps distinguish them from one another.
  3. Modern desktop screens are wider than they are high, but webpage content scrolls vertically, often leaving a lot of empty space on the sides.
  4. Eyestrain is reduced and readability improves when the width of the reading area is reduced. This is why text on the web almost never fills the full width of a widescreen display, why most books are taller than they are wide, and why newsprint articles have many narrow columns rather than filling the entire page.
  5. Given points 3 and 4, tabs at the top of the browser window on a widescreen display leave slightly less room for the actual page contents, while tabs displayed in a vertical list on one side only cut into the white space that exists on the sides of the content, while keeping the titles readable and causing less eyestrain.
  6. With one change, a list can become an outline with sections and headers, following your own train of thought as you branch out and expand on each idea. In the same way, tabs displayed as a list can be very easily displayed with a tree structure, allowing tabs to be grouped, collapsed, and generally organized in ways that are impossible for traditional-style top-tabs.

This is why Tree Style Tabs exists, though I prefer Sidebery these days, being more customizable and performant than TST. There’s no way I can ever go back to top-tabs.

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In a real life scenario that I can ad hoc reproduce here on my PC, only point 6 makes sense. With the others I can not agree when looking at my open tabs here.

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Wake me up when we have Chrome-style tab groups in FF.

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I don’t get their allure. Why not Tree Style Tabs? You can create “groups” and endless subgroups. Also, no need to scroll horizontally, which takes way longer to find stuff, just scroll vertically or collapse trees.

Tab groups seem inferior to tree style tabs.

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Tab groups for the friendly name at the top of a set. Edge implemented vertical tabs. Not as good as tree, but better than across the top.

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You mean this or this? It’s been around for a couple years and has more functionality than Chrome’s.

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No, I mean Chrome-style tab groups. Existing FF add-ons are okay, but nowhere near as nice as in Chrome.

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I’m not sure if it’s the same, but floorp has Workspaces which I find very useful

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As usual, Mozilla doesn’t come up with new things. Only when Floorp and Waterfox start doing stuff do they think “Oh wait, people actually like that? Well, let’s kill an extension or fork!”.

Tree Style Tabs have existed for years. I guess it took them a while to wake up.

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The very first version of Tree Style Tabs was published in… hmm…

2007

The shameful part is the fact that Edge-Chromium added a native tree style tabs feature over three years ago, and has been eating Firefox’s lunch. Vivaldi has had native vertical tabs for eight years! Mozilla’s leadership is asleep at the wheel.

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Christ. If they don’t do vertical tabs people act like it’s the end of the world and Firefox is a piece of shit browser that deserves to die, and when they do they aren’t being original enough!

They can’t win. What do you actually want? Diagonal tabs??

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What you are doing does not at all, besides not having to do anything with the topic at hand.

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UX is a very subjective matter.

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Yo fuck it. This comment saved my life.

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More like: Looks Cool

Versus how it is now: Looks cool

or if you have a shit ton of tabs open: lo… co…

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