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It’s not systemic vs individual. It’s both.

Unless you believe politicians will ever tax and remove subsidies from meat. I’m not holding my breath for that one.

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On the one hand, I could stop buying yogurt in a disposable plastic cup. On the other, I could shut down the factory that makes yogurt in disposable plastic cups.

These two things are of equal importance and have the same effect.

I’m very smart and haven’t been psyoped.

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Alright, lets get rid of gasoline and meat on a systemic level.

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This is a false dichotomy.

You don’t need to all or nothing these.

You can greatly regulate the use of gasoline and provide viable alternatives (bike lanes, public transport, electric vehicles) that don’t disrupt society in the same way we can reduce meat consumption or use far more sustainable agriculture practices (less factory farming and more permaculture practices).

Yes this will result in things being more expensive and ‘line not going up’ as fast.

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I agree completely, which is why I’m a very strong proponent of sustainable urbanism and sustainable agriculture. Only thing I’ll add is that reducing our car-dependent suburban sprawl will actually be good for the economy, not just the environment. Not only does the housing crisis knee-cap the economy (and the housing crisis is largely a consequence of our pursuit of car-dependent suburban sprawl), but car-dependent suburban sprawl is a fiscally unsustainable ponzi scheme. Building denser, more walkable and transit-oriented cities would save money, stymie the housing crisis, reduce inequality, and reduce emissions.

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A plant based diet can reduce 75% of land use and cut 14.5% of emissions, then the freed up land can be used for rewilding.

So we really should go all out on ending meat consumption.

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Going 0-100 is impossible. You need to find a compromise that people will actually agree with in a democracy.

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We can tax them into oblivion. Or at least stop subsidizing them as a start.

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I always assumed it was what was left of us after getting stepped on by the corporate behemoth if it were displeased by our peasant actions.

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Systemic? You mean corporations, specific nameable corporations, not some amorphous system.

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yes, specific corporations need to change, but they will not change until they are forced to by the system

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Not necessarily. I, for one, mostly (i.e. at least a little bit >50%) blame the deliberately-low-density zoning code and early FHA policy (e.g. redlining and deliberately recommending car-centric development patterns).

Did Standard Oil and General Motors have a huge influence? Sure, but they didn’t literally pass the laws.

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Here’s a solution: force all new buildings to use a heat pump for heating and cooling.

Here’s another: tax all private jet flights $2000 per trip

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Think you missed a couple of zeroes off that tax number buddy.

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Also heavily tax SUVs, maybe even impose a limitation on having only businesses buying SUVs with special permits justifying the need of one

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$2000 per trip

per km

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