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How about instead this “personal responsibility” bullshit we focus on the actual causes of global warming, I.e. massive corporations that create the majority of greenhouse gasses

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Why has it to be either, or? We need both. Systemic and behavioural changes on all levels. And we need it now. We no longer have any time left to shift the blame back and forth! I’m getting so sick of this blame game!

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It’s 100% personal responsibility, it’s just that part of that responsibility is to vote/convince others for more systemic change. All the kids just blaming the “biggest 100 companies” while not voting and making no lifestyle changes are just as bad as the people they critizise.

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If you put it this way: sure. And those famous “biggest 100 companies”, which are constantly used as a cheap excuse to not do anything on a personal level, are run by maybe 1,000 or so individuals. And employ a few 100,000 individuals.

All decisions are 100% personal responsibility, because entities like corporations or nations can’t decide anything. It’s always individual people.

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In what way did I insinuate, even hint on not voting?

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What does voting for Capitalism have to do with helping the environment? They are 100% orthogonal to each other.

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5 points

How about both?

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And who do those corporations sell to?

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The majority of the shit they sell us doesn’t ever get bought.

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How do you think those companies pollute? Are they burning fuel at Shell’s headquarters? Or do they have lots of customers who think their personal behavior doesn’t matter?

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The goalpost for individuals is pushed further to make up for what corporations are doing, which is…(reads notes)…nothing.

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I keep reading that. But it’s not that simple. Corporations provide what individuals want. Their exploitation of the world’s resources and the damage to the climate is a side product of that. They aren’t a completely separate entity that do what they do just to be evil.

Governments need to heavily restrict corps and how they operate. Which will come with increased prices and limitations to the people. Which is unpopular and will mean that those politicians won’t get back into office…

Which is why nothing will happen and we are all fucked

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Yeah, but all the people taking multiple flights a year for weekend getaways aren’t solely the responsibility of the “corporations”, are they?

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Came here to essentially say this. Our individual contributions are meaningless in the face of the abuses by corporations and wealthy individuals.

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Do you vote? Because it’s the same principle - how one person votes might be irrelevant, but millions of people voting is powerful. This is true even though corporations have outsized influence on the political process.

Likewise, a single person deciding to not eat meat one day a week or replace one car journey with cycling is nothing in the global scheme of things, but a billion people all doing it will have more impact on the environment than any corporation ever could.

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I see your point, though I think the comparison isn’t quite accurate. My one vote doesn’t get canceled out many times over by the vote of a billionaire (though I suppose you could argue that lobbying by that billionaire could indeed cancel it out.

I guess I’m just growing pessimistic. For as much as I personally do, I feel its a drop in the water that is negated 1000 times over by corporations and wealthy individuals. I’m also tired of the narrative being focused on individual effort instead of pressuring corporations etc. to take more responsibility. But both individual and corporate/government action are needed, I suppose, if we’re going to save ourselves…

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That’s not true. Corporations concede nothing until forced. And many countries are foceing corporations to do things.

For example, it’s illegal in many countries for corporations to have short-distance flights where a train route is available.

We need more laws like this and corporations will do better.

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If you want people to give up flying you need to give them alternatives. I always choose train if it’s available. And for meat we don’t have to collectively give up meat, eating less meat (once or twice a week) would be totally efficient in limiting the CO2 emissions

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eating less meat (once or twice a week)

I’ve been doing this a few years now. Trying to slowly introduce more and more new vegetarian/vegan recipes into my life. Worth it, in my opinion.

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It’s really not hard. I think the extreme emphasis on going veg/vegan is actually harmful. Just eat less, find good veg recipes, then eat a little less, etc. You can get 90% of the way there and not even miss it much if you do it gradually.

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How about you redirect this question to the people actually responsible for setting the planet on fire and inevitably turning my children’s futures to smoldering ash? I can only just barely afford to eat meat, certainly not every day, and any form of travel is a distant, impossible pipedream.

This is not my fault or responsibility. Life under capitalism hasn’t afforded me that luxury. I do not get to make decisions, they are too expensive.

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It’s at least not more expensive (maybe unless you live in bumfucknowhere and they won’t properly stock beans).

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Both are necessary.

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22 points

I gave up both, problem solved lol

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7 points

I too am poor!

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8 points

You’re extremely not wrong! 😅

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Branding is key. You’re not poor, you’re ✨frugal✨

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