58 points

I’m not a fan of meme-level infographics of unsourced data.

US unemployment figures virtually never include those who have given up on looking for work, which is a drastic undercounting. Biden’s Misleading Unemployment Statistic

Who knows where the Cuban unemployment figure came from, or how it was calculated or the quality of the data.

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21 points

Some brief searching of my own tells me that, while the unemployment numbers are roughly correct, the actual pay for those jobs are so low that they have a rough time actually being able to afford anything. Like, minimum wage is 2100 Cuban Pesos per month, but one set of clothing costs about 9700 on average.

https://horizontecubano.law.columbia.edu/news/calculating-cost-living-Cuba

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Plenty of people have hard time affording anything in US as well, and lots of people end up working multiple jobs now because jobs don’t even pay a living wage.

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2 points

There’s a world of difference in having a hard time affording things like a car or a home and having a hard time affording food or clothing.

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30 points

Mind posting the actual links to the sources?

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I don’t have all the links on hand, but it’s easily googlable if you just put the numbers in

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16 points

Why don’t you do that then?

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-13 points

Because I don’t owe you shit, if you’re genuinely curious then type the number into google yourself. I believe in you little buddy.

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5 points

If you’ve wasted countless hours arguing with antisocialists, you know that respecting their enquiries is a waste of time because they can just dismiss everything that contradicts their meme ideology as Judeo‐Bolshevik propaganda. International organizations? Obviously the state must have given them some fake data and the organizations trusted them unquestioningly because secretly they’re all staffed by a bunch of big dumb stupid idiots.

Anyway, I think that these are the exact sources:

https://data.worldbank.org/country/CU

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.ADT.LITR.ZS?locations=CU-CU

https://data.un.org/en/iso/cu.html

https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/countries/country-details/GHO/cuba

Took me fewer than ten minutes to find them.

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4 points

Right, it’s not like this information is hard to find or controversial in any way. And the fact that people keep acting like it is just shows how unserious they are. It’s like you gotta give me a source proving that water is wet!

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25 points

Right, let’s ignore things like frequent blackouts (https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/cuba-turns-off-some-public-lighting-energy-crisis-worsens-2024-03-05/) and the fact that if you protest any decisions by the government you risk being locked up indefinitely (https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/cuba)

Surely signs of a stable government

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As if the illegal embargo and the power infrastructure issues are unrelated 🙄

Human Rights Watch is part of The Human Rights Concern Troll Industrial Complex whose purpose is facilitating regime change.

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13 points

Blackouts are certainly a thing, and for the middle class in USA that would be considered intolerable. However, for the poor in the USA who sometimes go without electricity for lack of payment, having access to healthcare and education in exchange for the occasional blackout might be worth the trade.

As for speaking out against the government, citizens may not be incarcerated for speaking out (unless it actually threatens the government such as Manning, Snowden, and Winner), other forms of control are used. Usually that means pervasive propaganda and pitting people against each other through the Culture War.

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11 points

US has the highest incarceration per capita in the world, and it’s far higher than Cuba. Meanwhile, the blockade of Cuba certainly does make things difficult for a small island. The fact that people of Cuba enjoy higher quality of life than Americans in many ways, shows how communism can persevere even under harshest conditions. Not the own you seem to think it is.

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6 points

Now that’s just blatantly wrong.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/262962/countries-with-the-most-prisoners-per-100-000-inhabitants/

Cuba is one of the few countries that is actually higher then the US. Cuba is 794 per 100,000, compared to the United State’s 531

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As the chart shows, 36 states have higher incarceration rates than Cuba, the country with the world’s second highest prison rate. New York comes in just above Rwanda, which is still trying thousands of people in connection to the 1994 genocide. Even Vermont, birthplace of Phish, Ben & Jerry’s, and the country’s only socialist senator, imprisons a higher percentage of its population than countries like Israel, Mexico, or Saudi Arabia.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240308171425/https://www.vice.com/en/article/59a45x/the-mass-incarceration-problem-in-america

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24 points

Last item omits Cuban interventions in Africa, ie Angola.

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17 points

Yeah, really doing Cuba dirty by ignoring their military contributions to ending apartheid!

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3 points

Yeah they won.

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And all the hands in South America, including the Venezuelan takeover.

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4 points

How about USA vs Vietnam?

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Vietnam won

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