I seem to be noticing a little bit of a trend lately that the out-of-box experience and overall quality of “mostly should just work” desktop-focused Linux distributions has declined. Usually, you could grab an .iso of distros like Ubuntu, Fedora, Manjaro etc, install it and have a decent enough platform out of the box to tweak how you liked it. There might be some hardware you need to mess with to get working, or some small configuration changes to do, but these were mostly about personal preference as opposed to having to do them just to have a basically functioning system.
I recently built a new computer for work and naturally wanted to install a Linux distribution on it. I thought I’d try out a few desktop-focused ones to reduce the need to manually configure stuff like you’d do with an Arch install. The more curated and heavily moderated package systems are exactly what I wanted on this PC as stability/reliability was more important than bleeding edge for me. However, instead of just getting something usable and smooth like I was expecting, each distro I tried out had a bunch of basic issues:
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Fedora: issues with Flatpak (that somehow got missed by 2 separate maintainers and released), the fonts look like crap again without a lot of tweaking (AA used to just work properly out of the box) and the XFCE spin is completely broken. To even get XFCE I had to install the Gnome version then manually install the XFCE desktop and LightDM the latter of which didn’t even pull in all its dependencies to function.
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Manjaro: I can’t even update this out of the box without manual intervention because of a conflict between packages on a fresh installation. The problem has existed for a while apparently. Such a basic problem in the core package management of a distribution out of the box is unacceptable.
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Ubuntu: I tried Kubuntu (used to be my favorite) and the KDE desktop experience by default completely sucks now. Even with graphics drivers installed and tweaking the settings a bit it screen tears on my Nvidia 3080 and performs like trash. I don’t know how we even got to this point when Linux desktop environments used to be the slickest thing since butter was invented.
I’m a long time Linux user (since the 90s), former Linux sysadmin and a programmer so I know my way around a Linux system. All of the above problems can mostly be fixed. However, by now in 2023 I’m expecting all of these major distributions to at least nail down the basics and I’m finding it’s just not the case, in fact it feels like things have sadly gone backwards.
Update: I ended up giving Mint Cinnamon a shot after a few people mentioned it here and it ended up being good enough out of the box for me to run with it. I needed a Linux desktop that just basically worked so that I didn’t have to spend hours messing with it that I could be billing for work instead and Mint gave me that, so thank you for the suggestion. It’s been a real shame that other distributions are not as slick as Mint is from the start.
Linux Mint gets about $10,000 USD in donations a month on average, develops the Cinnamon DE, and is based on Ubuntu LTS. It’s stable, it’s slick, and it gets regular updates. If you’re looking for a “Major Distro”, I suggest including Linux Mint in your list.
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I believe the Kubuntu KDE desktop was on Wayland but I can’t remember for sure. The fact that just moving a window around or opening the application menu screen tears on a 3080 even after messing with vsync and running in performance mode was a massive disappointment. I can’t believe NVidia preforms so absolutely terrible like this at all on Linux.
The XFCE spin was broken because the installer is currently broken, it wasn’t a graphics issue at all.
I actually install Pop!_OS for the first time yesterday, primarily because they offer an ISO with Nvidia drivers built in and I’ve got a 3080. I’m pretty content with the results. It took very little effort to install Steam and try out some gaming via Proton. I might try one of the Arch-based distros at some point, but I’m much more familiar with Ubuntu from work so that’s more my comfort zone.
If you want to try Ubuntu, just try the plain Ubuntu. Has been my rock solid working distro since forever. I have no real complaints and it just let’s me do my work.
Avoid Manjaro and use something like Endeavour OS if you want an Arch based distro.
I’ve used Manjaro in the past and had tons of issues with it. The distro itself is Arch based but does not follow the same update philosophy.
Updates are stalled to apparently test for any potential conflicts, except it seems that they do not do any testing at all and just hold back on updates and cause more issues by doing that (ie package dependancy lagging behind)
Not to mention all the drama and shady stuff that was and is going on with Manjaro, I would not recommend that distro to anyone.
I’ve also used Mint, Kubunutu, Pop… and even Garuda on various desktops and laptops and never run into any game braking issues upon initial installation.
I was looking into Arch-based environment and wondered if there is an option for a scenario where you don’t have to update for a few weeks for example, because you don’t use that computer or whatever. But you still want to try the Arch configurability and wiki docs for it.
From what you’re saying, it’s still actually all rolling release. From my (flawed? correct me) understanding it is different from Ubuntu or Fedora, where you can update an outdated OS state and it isn’t supposed to break. Possibly barring changing OS versions.
Not to mention all the drama and shady stuff that was and is going on with Manjaro
Shady stuff? I use manjaro but haven’t been keeping up with stuff, it does pretty much just work in my experience
The OOTB experience of everything is declining
