I don’t blame them. Ukraine needs to take the war to Russia to win.

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As an American, I support Ukraine droning inside Russia. Fuck up their power plants, oil production, and bases! I believe most Americans would agree that in war, this tactic is fair game.

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There have been no such calls for Ukraine to stop attacking Russia. The article is behind a paywall, and there are no corroborating stories from any credible news sites. According to the same article on yahoo news, the White House claimed its due to oil prices. The US gets its oil from Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Brazil. The headline has no merit.

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Power plants are not valid military targets though. No one should be attacking those and it’s always wrong to do so.

Edit: I posted this comment and immediately went to bed. After waking up and looking at responses, I’m absolutely disgusted with people justifying and approving war crimes. Attacking civilian infrastructure like power plants is a WAR CRIME and that’s why it’s a huge deal that Russia has been attacking power plants. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Edit 2: alright, time for links since people seem unconvinced. Both the ICC and the UN consider the attacks by Russia on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure to be war crimes. If it’s wrong for Russia to do, it’s wrong for everyone to do.

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Sorry, Russia already lost the right to say Ukraine shouldn’t be hitting their power plants.

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An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. If Russia started using VX gas, would it be acceptable for Ukraine to start using Sarin? Absolutely fucking not. There is never a legitimate excuse for a war crime.

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Power plants are Ukraine is not a valid military target though. No one should be attacking those it and it’s always wrong to do so.

FTFY

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Well yes, but starting a war suddenly and without declaration isn’t a war crime.

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Power plants are not valid military targets though.

Yes apples are not oranges, so why are you trying to change the subject?
AFAIK there is not a single example of Ukraine attacking power plants in Russia.
An oil depot or refinery is NOT a powerplant. Russia has more than enough oil to serve their population, but maybe they can’t serve the military 100% too, if Russia chooses to prioritize their illegal military invasion over their own population, that’s a Russian problem. As long as Russia prioritize oil for their military, oil is a valid military target.

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I’m not trying to change the subject. The OP tried to slip a war crime target in with valid military targets, and I wanted to set the record straight.

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Maybe. But destroying the Russian dictatorship is a moral obligation for everyone in the free world.

All Russian infrastructure and assets are valid targets. Both inside and outside of Russia.

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Attacking civilian infrastructure like power plants is a WAR CRIME and that’s why it’s a huge deal that Russia has been attacking power plants. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. All moral obligations are equal. That means doing unethical and immoral actions in pursuit of an ethical and moral goal means you are no longer fighting a good fight.

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Citation needed

Civilian infrastructure can in fact a valid target if it assist the military. Electricity generation is used to maintain many military systems, including telecommunications, logistics, lighting, radar systems, and all sorts of manufacturing capability that assists the military.

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So fucking what? Attacking civilian power infrastructure isn’t the solution to fighting an enemy. Attack the military comms, logistics, lighting, radar, and manufacturing instead. Then everyone knows the attack is absolutely justified.

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At least Ukraine is not doing it in the middle of winter, unlike Russia.

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Buddy, I can smell the straw from here. Ukraine isn’t attacking Russia’s critical infrastructure out of some need for retribution. If a grizzly bear attacks you, you hit that thing in any sensitive spot you can reach until it backs off. Otherwise you’re dead. That’s the situation Ukraine has been in from the start. They’ve been persistently outgunned and outmanned. The only way to get Russia to stop is to hit them where it hurts.

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I’m not making some kind of strawman argument. I’m correcting the OP, because attacking civilian infrastructure is a war crime. If Russia starts using chemical weapons, should Ukraine start too? If you have any sense of ethics, you’d say no.

Congratulations, you’ve successfully justified a war crime.

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Power plants are not valid military targets though

Sure they are. You’d make a terrible military leader.

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You’d make a terrible military leader.

And you’d end up in the Hague.

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It’s morally wrong to do so. At the end of the day, like every single other war in the human history sadly , the right side is the winning one, be It bombing power plants, hospitals or houses.

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Unless nobody wins. Attacking targets with no clear strategic advantage out of spite is animalistic and stupid. Just take out the relay stations.

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this is a fake story, there haven’t been any “warnings”… it’s pure propaganda being shoveled by the Russians…

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Bingo. IF anyone said something it was more like, “it would be terrible if you accidentally blew up this target at these coordinates following this route through Russia’s shit air defense. Why that would be a real shame and potentially piss Russia off.”

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It sure looks like it with the headline claim substantiated behind a paywall and no corroborating reports on credible websites.

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You’re calling the economist Russian propaganda? Jesus Christ, you really have lost the thread 🤣.

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No, he’s calling the story Russian propaganda.

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Oh huge difference! The biggest difference. Definitely not pedantics.

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they are shoveling Russian propaganda for some reason, like a lot of people do either knowingly or not

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Why would the USA expect Ukraine to listen to them when Israel gets more aid & regularly lies to the USA with 0 repercussions?

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Israel gets more aid

Israel probably hasn’t gotten more aid in the last 2 years but overall they might have. Also, assuming this is even true, why would Ukraine listen to the US since they have abandoned support of Ukraine?

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Israel doesn’t get more aid. Unless you consider total aid since 1946 adjusted for inflation, then yes, but that wouldn’t make sense. Israel gets 3.3 billion a year. Since February 2022, the United States has allocated $113.4 billion in emergency funding to support Ukraine.

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‘They don’t get more money unless you count all the money’

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Unless you count all the aid from before Ukraine was even an independent country?

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Just because they have been supported by the US for a longer time.

I am not a fan of sending them anything, but that doesnt mean that they get more than ukraine this year and for the past 5-10 years, which is what you should compare.

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They are fighting in the fucking defensive war. What fucking logic is that? They should even cross the Russian border if needed.

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Stop making vague mildly stupid comments.

That’s literally how war works, what’s your solution? Water pistols at 30 paces?

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What warnings? Last I heard the very deliberate language was that the US “Did not encourage” strikes inside Russian territory. Has that language escalated?

Can’t read the article due to the torrent of pop ups unfortunately because I’m very interested to know the basis of the headline.

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The article is paywalled anyway.

The basis for the title is that Ukraine is still hitting targets in Russia. Honestly, I don’t believe the US was serious about their comments opposing those strikes. US oil companies will just make more profits after all.

I believe the argument was that it would raise global oil prices but that wouldn’t make sense unless Russia is doing a better job of bypassing sanctions than we know about. There have been rumblings of Russia using intermediate countries to move oil and other resources, so there is that.

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And note the source. It’s basically an industry rag.

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If anything, it’s an obligatory, “no… please… don’t…” to maintain plausible deniability.

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last section of the document

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It just seems super vague to me. It says that they are ignoring the advice to call off the strikes, but there’s nothing in there from an official or anything about what exactly they are being advised. Maybe I’m splitting hairs here, but it doesn’t seem definitive at all as to what’s being communicated.

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It is vague and it needs to be because at best this is second hand account of what it was said.

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