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Dude still hasn’t decided where to host the repo. It’s not an alternative, guix is…

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Aux is more similar to Nix, than Guix is.

Guix uses the same concepts, but still is very different.

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What a horrible name. I literally had to search for “aux nix” to find a Reddit post mentioning the URL. Every other search term combination was giving me results for ps aux.

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Same. Short it nice, but it has to be unique and memorable too. Aux is an already existing word.

Things that don’t exist yet

  • Lunix - sounds like linux and nix just with i and u swapped
  • Originix - very close to https://orignix.com/ but not the same
  • Nunix - New Nix
  • Froxin - Jumble of fork + nix
  • Apenix - Apex of nix
  • Nirofs - Nix Is a Read Only FileSystem

Suprisingly already exist

  • Nuxor - Lindt Nuxor is a chocolate
  • Aunix - auxiliary nix - https://www.aunixinternational.com/ already exists though
  • XiniX - a mirror of nix (xinix.nl exists though)
  • Lixin - shit this also exists as a brand
  • Fornix - fork + nix - is part of our brain
  • nixzen - spanish company
  • zenix - Zenith of nix - another spanish company?
  • Apaux - Apex of auxiliary nix - surprisingly is a band
  • Araknix - some toy
  • naaix - sounds like nice - is a damn boat company

Probably some LLM could come up with something too given a good prompt.

Anti Commercial-AI license

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Hopefully it is delay due to setting up self-hosted options. I would support it if I didn’t have to use Microsoft GitHub—Nixpkgs is the reason my account hasn’t been deactivated.

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You can contribute to Nixpkgs without GitHub account

https://discourse.nixos.org/t/about-the-patches-category/477

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These aren’t well established where you can see the post was created in ’18. If they were established, you would seem them in the raw CONTRIBUTING.md. You can see folks having issues with using Discourse as a mailing list since it doesn’t quite work as expected & still requires review by someone with merge access to the primary repository. There is a SourceHut one that actually has some activity & I believe was once listed under the one of the contributing guides, but I can’t remember where it was listed. I doubt many maintainers are properly checking their email too despite listing them on the maintainer.nix file. I would hedge to say that unless the community migrates away, you would see folks complaining the tread above about disliking that there is no pull requests with instead push to the default branch so we would asume all contributions in practices will be expected to be done thru MS GitHub. As it stands going thru the mailing list puts a lot of friction on everyone & wastes time of other maintainers that are expected to then raise a PR on your behalf for review. Say that PR does get opened on your behalf, now you want to follow it since it’s your patch… well too bad since MS GitHub has no way of subscribing to PR threads like it does some aspects of by adding .atom to the end of a URL. As such, if you really want the in-practice option to not be under Microsoft’s domain, you’ll need to remove Microsoft from being the primary forge, relegating it to a mirror or dropping it outright.

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Mailinglists are such a joke. They are a terrible user experience all around. It’s like being stuck in the 90s.

Anti Commercial-AI license

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Hoping to switch to Guix someday, but we’ll see.

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It’s not really worth it IMO except for lisp and Emacs packages. The biggest issue for me was that nearly every other package I need was seriously out of date.

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I’m out of the loop, what’s the issue with the current Nixos maintainers?

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Here’s a tl;dr : https://github.com/KFearsoff/nix-drama-explained

If you’re looking for a TL;DR of the situation, here it is:

  • Nix community had a governance crisis for years. While there has been progress on building explicit teams to govern the project, it continued to fundamentally rely on implicit authority and soft power
  • Eelco Dolstra, as one of the biggest holders of this implicit authority and soft power, has continuously abused this authority to push his decisions, and to block decisions that he doesn’t like
  • Crucially, he also used his implicit authority to block any progress on solving this governance crisis and establishing systems with explicit authority
  • This has led uncountably many people to burn out over the issue, and culminated in writing an open letter to have Eelco resign from all formal positions in the project and take a 6 month break from any involvement in the community
  • Eelco wrote a response that largely dismisses the issues brought up, and advertises his company’s community as a substitute for Nix community

And a not too long read : https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2024-04-27-nix-internal-crisis.html

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Thanks!

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has continuously abused this authority to push his decisions, and to block decisions that he doesn’t like

Hmm. I’ve seen this before. It looks like the “sensationalist” crowd has issues with people who don’t go along with their sensationalism.

I’m not a Nix expert nor do I know the inner-workings of its management. I’ve just seen this so many times that I don’t expect more from people at this point.

It sucks when idiots group together to push smart people into doing their bidding. I respect those who resist it, though.

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Not very clear to me that this is any more valuable than OG NixOS.

This sounds a lot like the forgejo vs gitea fork. I love the forgejo people but I am yet to see a sufficient differentiator.

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https://forgejo.org/compare-to-gitea/

I dunno, some of these are a pretty big deal, in particular:

Gitea repeatedly makes choices that leave Gitea admins exposed to known vulnerabilities during extended periods of time. For instance Gitea spent resources to undergo a SOC2 security audit for its SaaS offering while critical vulnerabilities demanded a new release. Advance notice of security releases is for customers only.

Gitea is developed on github, whereas forgejo is developed on and by codeberg, who use it as their main forge (also mentioned on that page). Someone dogfooding gives me more confidence in the software.

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Tbf most of gitea is hosted on gitea: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/1029

Just not the main repo because of a blocking issue (which makes the above link pretty annoying)

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I think the reason is because apparently a lot of people are unhappy with a deal Nix inked apparently with a company that does business with the US’ Immigrations and Customs

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Wait so people got butthurt that a company made a deal with nix. That company also does business with ICE. And people are mad at Nix?

What am I missing?

Also companies and open source entities do business with all manner of government(s) all the time.

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Don’t really know, hit something about it elsewhere, but it didn’t say anything more than that, but yeah, that seems to be the gist of things.

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I like #Nix, I do not like what has happened to it.

With no explanation of what happened, the conclusion is almost certainly Internal politics.

It seems like forgejo split from gitea because it looked like gitea was going the route of gitlab. Idk if NixOS is going to commercialize though. Based on recent gossip it sounds like they’re overly adverse to commercialization. IE banning people for having DoD connections. Aux’s talk about special interest groups makes it sound like they’re going embrace that like redhat.

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They were still pulling in mainline Gitea changes while introducing their own stuff last I checked.

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Pulling in mainline gitea changes, I did see. But I didn’t see any notable differences from gitea. Do you know of any?

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Forgejo is working on federation. That is the big item.

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Nothing concrete from what I can tell. Becoming a hard fork is relatively recent though (mid-November of last year, roughly).

As a side note, I understand why Gitea and Forgejo went for a “copy GitHub Actions” approach to their CI, but man do I wish more self-hosted repo software tried to copy Drone/Woodpecker instead. Iterative containers in the pipeline is such a smoother build experience, and it kind of sucks that Gitness is the only one doing it (that I know of).

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There’s plenty, but I do not wish to hijack this thread, so… have a look at the Forgejo 7.0 release notes, the PRs it links to along notable features (and a boatload of bugfixes, many of which aren’t in Gitea). Then compare when (and if) similar features or fixes were implemented in Gitea.

The major difference (apart from governance, and on a technical level) between Gitea and Forgejo is that Forgejo cherry picks from Gitea weekly (being a hard fork doesn’t mean all ties are severed, it means that development happens independently). Gitea does not cherry pick from Forgejo. They could, the license permits it, and it even permits sublicensing, so it’s not an obstacle for Gitea Cloud or Gitea EE, either. They just don’t.

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Last time I checked they were working on forgejo runners / actions!

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NixOS forked

Sounds like it broke and you wanted to f-bomb it in the Good Place.

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Forking shirtballs!

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Wait, why can’t I say fork?

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That’s fscked

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Was waiting for that to happen

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