Even from people that never lived in a communist state
edit: im 17 and i hate communism
“I’m 17 and I hate communism”
😂 enough said. Come back when you’re a bit older and a bit wiser.
You don’t even have to be wise to understand the problems communism has, it only helps
So your comment doesn’t make sense.
“I’m 14 and very edgy.”
Ah yes wanting a better system not built on the capitalist exploitation of the working-class is “edgy”
Do you even know what you’re talking about?
I don’t have kids, not very good with them as you can see ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I was like OP though when I was 17 too, so coming back a bit older might work after reading through all the great resources provided in these comments
And as people have mentioned here, it can take until you’re in your 40s for some to finally escape all the anticommunist propaganda they’ve been fed their whole lives in capitalist states.
Especially people who never lived in a communist state
Especially people who never lived in a communist state
That’s a rather impossible requirement, considering that all “communist states” to date have been oligarchic autocracies that were just as much about communism as they were democratic.
Real communism is market ownership by the people, and not some elite cabal of politicians or capitalists. And a top-down planned economy is pretty much anti-communism, as it violates the very fundamentals of communism as being worker-driven.
considering that all “communist states” to date have been oligarchic autocracies
And you think that is a coincidence?
Considering how America is moving towards that same state, with it’s Republicans?
No, I don’t think it’s a coincidence. Oligarchic autocracies can occur under any circumstances where a power-hungry elite manage to wrest control by using the masses as “useful idiots”. The Conservative leadership, in general, have learned this trick very well.
Part of the problem is capitalist regimes keep sending assassins to murder leaders of communist movements, such as FBI killing the Black Panther leaders.
Law enforcement in the US is harassing mutual aid organizations. Maybe they’re afraid we’ll repair the park fences and deny some business a choice government contract?
While you’re not wrong, it’s important to retain a global perspective. There are “communist” leaders that were total pieces of shit and while they did have help, that help wasn’t always capitalist. Stalin is an example here.
And then there’s pieces of shit who were supported by external forces, but not by capitalist regimes seeking to undermine them. I’m not 100% confident in this history, and there’s no way I’m going to spell his name right, but, the Romanian piece if shit, Caucescu (???) came to power riding a wave of support from the Nazis. Hitler didn’t do it to destabilize Romania, but because he was like, “there’s some good old fashioned fascist genociders down there, let’s give them more guns.” And those fascist genociders were technically communists.
What I’m getting at is that the enemies of a worker-ruled communist state are many, and many of those enemies are within their own systems. Communism, like every other system, suffers from the fact that there are humans involved. Just because a communism exists doesn’t mean it’s going to be utopia.
But that also doesn’t mean that communism can’t be good, or at least better.
As a note, fascism is a tool of industrialist plutocrats to extend the life of their power as worker class quality of life deteriorates. While Hoover was in power during the Great Depression, US industrialists were looking to Hitler and Mussolini while laborers were looking to the Soviet Union.
As per the Christian nationalist movement / transnational white power movement in the US, our dependence on capitalism has driven us to the verge of civil war, and a push by the Republican party to single-party autocracy and purges of undesirable demographics, including the impoverished and homeless.
I can’t speak to Nicolae and Elena Ceaușescu except to say autocracy always tends to go badly, with power consolidated until abuse and corruption is inevitable.
The whole idea behind communism is to imagine what a functional public serving state would look like, and then how to get there from here. Marx speculates on steps that might work to get to a starting point, but much like the framers of the Constitution of the United States, he didn’t know everything and couldn’t predict how it all plays out in given circumstances.
(US constitutional framers never did democracy before. They favored landowners. They assumed common homesteaders would be driven to understand and vote for their own best interests. And they got broadsided by the industrial revolution. Also, FPTP elections and two-party systems suck.)
We know civil wars tend to lead to serial dictatorships and foreign influencers looking to exploit economic vulnerability. We also grassroots mutual aid movements take generations and are prone to disruption by time and circumstances, particularly raiders and police forces. So we’re still trying to chart the geography between here and utopia.
Sure I’ll just go in my alt-history time travel machine and be born in a communist state. Sorry for suggesting we improve things somewhat?
You should go into your alt history time machine and realize how shitty it is living under communism. Why do you think every country bordering Russia hates them so much?
You don’t even need to travel in time to feel the communist spirit, just go to any post-soviet country and see the reality for yoursef.
Lmao you don’t have proper political opinions at 17
Your endocrine system hasn’t even let go of the controls in your brain yet. Don’t let a guy who is so prone to substance abuse make important decisions. Once the night shift takes over a lot of your “airtight and very clever” philosophies will seem simple, trite and one dimensional.
One day you’ll be in the shower getting ready to start your day. Nothing particularly significant will have occurred to you the day before, but the “perspective shift” happens and all of a sudden, you won’t know why you ever felt the way you used to. Scary as shit, comes out of the blue, and definitely doesn’t happen to us all. But it’s a cool achievement to unlock and lets you respec for a conceptualization bonus.
If that does happen, I hope you remember this thread and have replay. See if you are still the same you as you were.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Tons of young people are communists. OP being politically illiterate doesn’t have to be for their age, though that’s likely part of it.
