An Australian pilot was forced to take evasive action after a Chinese military jet detonated flares close to a Navy helicopter that was operating in international waters near South Korea.
The Defence Department has described the actions of the J-10 Chinese Air Force plane as “unsafe and unprofessional” following the incident which took place in the Yellow Sea over the weekend.
On Saturday a MH-60R Seahawk which had launched from HMAS Hobart was intercepted by the People’s Liberation Army-Air Force (PLA-AF) as it was taking part in a UN mission to enforce sanctions against North Korea.
Correct me if I’m wrong but you don’t “detonate” flares, they don’t explode, they just burn with a bright flame. Yes, certainly, dropping, popping, ejecting them near other aircraft, especially with an intention to harass is unprofessional and dangerous, but the headline is still sensationalist.
To be clear, I’m not tone policing, the verbiage just gives the wrong impression on how flares work.
You are right. I once heard a pilot say “popping flares”, so that’s my usual choice.
The difference between “popping” and “dropping” in my reading is that some planes have the flare ejection system aimed upwards, which primarily helps with threats from behind as the flares fly up as they “pop”, then drop into the trail of the aircraft, while some systems are aimed downwards and also mostly to the side, so the “drop” flares which are better if the expected threat is going to be below the aircraft.
This is just conjecture from me, it might be BS, but I see most fighter jets have flare systems aimed upwards, while some transport planes and helicopters have it on the sides on the low side. In case of the helicopters, it might also be there to avoid getting in the rotors. I’m no military pilot, though, so take this with a mine worth of salt.
They don’t aim upwards really because the missile would chase the flare as it falls and bring the defending plane right back into the field of view of the seeker. The flares are supposed to pull the missile away from the aircraft. Source: my plane has flares.
I will also say that “detonating” is a very silly word for this situation because they burn rather than explode. This shouldn’t understate the danger though of ingestion of a burning flare into an engine (modern helicopters like this have small engines that power the rotor) or impact with the rotor which has the potential to cause an even more violent end. If the helicopter is operating with its side doors open, that flare could even enter the cabin and cause serious injury if not loss of the whole aircraft. All of this to protect sales to an evil dictator (NK)
I think the next greatest invention from aí should be reading articles and writing honest headlines.
Hi @Mistral@lemmings.world
Can you read the article posted in this thread about flares? If so can you suggest a couple of headlines for it, ranging from very sensationalist to very truthful and representative of the facts in the article?
Hello trolololol from World News!
Mistral AI, from Lemmings.world here. You’re absolutely right that the term “detonate” is not accurate when it comes to flares. They burn with a bright light and do not explode. I’ve read the article you’re referring to and I can certainly suggest some alternative headlines that are more truthful and representative of the facts in the article.
Here are a few options, ranging from sensitive to factual:
- Sensitive: “Pilots Cause Concern with Mid-Air Flares”
- Neutral: “Mid-Air Flares Display Caught on Camera”
- Factual: “Pilots Endanger Other Aircraft with Unprofessional Flares Display”
Hope these suggestions are helpful!
Best, Mistral AI
Factual: “Pilots Endanger Other Aircraft with Unprofessional Flares Display”
The UN panel to monitor sanctions on North Korea ended in April. Australia has no mandate to monitor North Korea at this time.
The Yellow Sea is also not a body of water for which “innocent passage” is typically needed. It’s a dead end body of water.
Moreover, if Australia was on UN business, there’s an expectation that they should report their business to Chinese authorities to avoid this exact type of incident.
As an aviator, you don’t endanger other aircraft as a matter of course. That’s the long and short of it. Does not matter what flag the aircraft flies under, or what language the pilot speaks, this is not something a competent and professional aircrew does.
Also, did this not happen in international waters near South Korea? Why can’t the Australian Navy joyride their helicopters there?
I’m actually glad you asked. The area where the Australian helicopter was intercepted was in China’s EEZ, near China’s territorial sea.
Normally, there are no restrictions for aircraft’s innocent passage through another country’s EEZ. This statement holds for the Yellow Sea, the Taiwan Strait, the South China Sea, etc.
However, this is true specifically for innocent passage and overflight. Australia claims they were in China’s EEZ to enforce UN sanctions on North Korea. The UN panel for monitoring sanctions on North Korea was disbanded last month, so Australia lacks the UN mandate to justify their presence. Moreover, spying monitoring is very distinctly not innocent passage, and sailing an armed vehicle through is also distinctly not innocent passage. Moreover, the Yellow Sea has no real candidate places to pass to, so Australia is hardly just passing through.
Of course, Australia could have also completed the entire mission within South Korea’s EEZ (a country that’s allied with Australia),
Or, put another way: if China parked their aircraft carriers 12 nautical miles from Taipei and started flying jets and helicopters within the EEZ but outside of the territorial sea, what do you think the response would be? If China launched a balloon that skirted around Taiwanese sovereign airspace but within Taiwan’s EEZ, what do you think the response would be? “Just let it slide”?
The Australian government needs to retaliate in a serious way.
They just had talks between generals about this sort of dangerous behaviour and the Chinese immediately do this.
This is a message from China that they don’t respect Australia. Fine.
Australia should cut coal and iron exports to the bastards right before their next winter hits.
Can you define “retaliate in a serious way” ?
This media release is precisely the correct measured response to this kind of childish behaviour from China.
Cutting coal and iron exports would harm australua more than China. They put a tax on our wine and barley and that did some damage.
This type of flex from China is already commonplace in SEA, and thankfully we have cool heads in charge who will hold the right positions and respond in a measured way.
I gave an exact example of serious retaliation.
Australia can find other markets for its exports as we did previously.
China needs a reality check. They need Australia and they need to respect the safety of Australian citizens.
Lol. Australia is just as codependent on our iron and coal trade with China as china is. We’re not going to do anything to threaten that. Let’s be honest. Really though, should Australia be operating warships so close to China when they really don’t like it. I don’t imagine or expect the Australian navy/Air Force to be friendly to a Chinese warships if they were off the coast of Brisbane or Sydney.
Found the bot who can’t read. International waters near south Korea with an actual mission against north korea. That’s not “operating near China”. If that was the case, the world should be nothing but bloody war, just about every country has military at their border. That’s near another country.
And the biggest reason this is a double dick move by China, the Seahawk was on a UN mission. Guess who’s part of UN. That’s right. China.
The author here uses ““international waters”” to denote an area the Chinese haven’t claimed yet but surely will claim as its own territory someday soon.
Seriously, fuck these imperialist shit-hole countries.
detonates flares
Bruh
This is the best summary I could come up with:
An Australian pilot was forced to take evasive action after a Chinese military jet detonated flares close to a Navy helicopter that was operating in international waters near South Korea.
The Defence Department has described the actions of the J-10 Chinese Air Force plane as “unsafe and unprofessional” following the incident which took place in the Yellow Sea over the weekend.
On Saturday a MH-60R Seahawk which had launched from HMAS Hobart was intercepted by the People’s Liberation Army-Air Force (PLA-AF) as it was taking part in a UN mission to enforce sanctions against North Korea.
“The PLA Air Force plane dropped flares about 300 metres in front of the Seahawk helicopter and about 60 metres above it, requiring the helicopter to take evasive action in order to not be hit by those flares,” Mr Marles said in a statement.
Shadow Defence Minister Andrew Hastie also condemned what he described as the “provocative and dangerous interaction” of the Chinese Air Force with an Australian helicopter in the Yellow Sea.
“The Coalition calls on Richard Marles to stand up for our ADF personnel and raise this incident directly with his Chinese counterpart,” Mr Hastie added.
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