153 points

How about the governors suggest that their residents don’t travel internationally with ammunition?

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It is very unlikely these people were carrying ammo.

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https://nypost.com/2024/05/08/world-news/bryan-hagerich-dad-facing-turks-and-caicos-prison-time-for-ammo-charge-says-law-has-unintended-consequences/

they admit to it.

Ryan Watson, 40, of Oklahoma, a father of two who was most recently arrested for unknowingly having ammo in his bag on April 12, remains on the island. Both men previously told Fox News Digital that they had the ammo in their bags from prior hunting trips.

Michael Lee Evans, 72, pleaded guilty to having ammunition in his bag on April 24, according to local news outlet the Turks & Caicos Sun. His sentencing hearing is scheduled for June 18.

why are you fabricating bullshit?

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I’m not fabricating anything. I’m skeptical that a bunch of irresponsible gun nuts keep getting caught in a nation no irresponsible gun nut has ever heard of, while somehow avoiding capture everywhere else.

Its also strange to me that people on a site all about ACAB when it comes to their own nations are not throwing that skepticism to a nation they also have likely never heard of.

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Per the article ‘Four of the detained Americans have admitted they brought the ammunition — but by mistake.’

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Then how did they find ammo and why have several admitted they brought the ammo and “forgot”?

Sounds like you’re full of shit.

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Why is this not happenong at the same rate elsewhere?

People also admit to many things they never did while in custody.

Something fishy is happening here.

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How arrogant of those American governers to assume they can just dictate how other countries deal with people smuggling weapons into their country (even if those people claim to have done it as a casual accident).

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You’re naive if you think it won’t work.

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20 American doctors starving and dehydrated in Gaza, Israel hitting their supply trucks being shipped in. If the U.S doesn’t care about 20 doctors, they surely don’t care about a few numbnuts

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4 points

The US, and certainly it’s government, is not a monolith.

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You got it backwards. It’s not about the people - it’s about the principles! What do you think the US cherishes more - medicine or guns?

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2 points

How so??

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Impact to tourism notwithstanding, Turks and Caicos imports 75% of its goods from the US, which also supplies 99% of its petrol. They’re not putting anyone in jail for 12 years because the person accidentally had two pistol rounds in their carry-on, let alone a citizen of their biggest trade partner.

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fuck that, its not hard to check your luggage before traveling.

Stop throwing the weight of the US government behind trying to protect assholes.

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I agree they’re stupid, but these aren’t people with malicious intent, and you want them to spend 10 years in prison? What do you think this solves?

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I mean, all they had to do was take the least amount of effort possible to ensure their luggage was clean.

If they couldnt muster the give a fuck to do that, and intentionally went to a country that they know has these laws…Then why should I muster enough of a fuck to wring my hands desperately over the situation their own lack of care and concern created?

i think this solves the problem of idiots and assholes thinking they can flout rules and get away with it, regardless of its malicious or willful incompetence.

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Don’t search your luggage? Straight to gulag!

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Ive travelled over i ternational borders with a dime bag in my luggage that i didnt even know was there until weeks after i got home. Dont be obtuse, there are lots of compartments in luggage whrre something as small as a bullet can hide even if you check the bag. Who the fuck gives a full cavity search to their luggage everyrime they use it?

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No one is asking you to care about them.

The question is whether or not you honestly think sending these people to prison for 10 years makes any sense. It’s the same thing when some poor black kid gets caught with some weed and goes to jail. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it, and it’s easy to point at their actions and say they were “idiots” for doing drugs and carrying it around them, and that they were “flouting the rules” by having a controlled substance. But I also know an injustice when I see one.

And there is precisely zero indication that these people are “flouting the rules.” This would actually more likely apply more to the kid with some pot, because they know it’s against the law and they likely know they have it on them. Why would you bring a handful of ammo into a country on vacation with no gun or anything? Hell, even if you had a gun, a few rounds isn’t going to do much.

You’re trying to paint it in the worst possible light. Slow down, take a breath, and think about this rationally and objectively for a second. Does this really solve a problem? Is this a good thing for our society? At least one of these people is a parent, do you really think it’s great they lose their parent for 10+ years because of two bullets accidentally left in a bag? I just can’t fathom how anyone sees any justice in this. There’s no requirement that you think so vengefully.

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It keeps complete morons off the streets and out of reach of firearms.

Because people who completely lack the necessary care and disciplin should not be armed.

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You honestly believe that over a decade in prison is a good punishment for this type of accident? We are talking about it possibly resulting in kids being without their parents for the bulk of their childhood. Do you really think society is better off if that happens?

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I travel a lot, both with and without guns. And ammo has a way of ending up in the weirdest little folds of your backpack and clothes.

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Sounds like ammo should be handled carefully

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Okay, So good on you for admitting you are not capable of keeping track of your shit.

US government still shouldnt be stepping in to protect you from your flagrant disregard for competency.

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I live in a socialist haven, would never move to a third world country.

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If that’s the case you shouldn’t be trusted with guns and ammo

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Never said I’ve lost my ammo or been stopped at the security checkpoint.

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That’s why you should treat guns and ammo with care. Have you never learned to count?

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You’re funny. I shot tens of thousands of rounds every month, so no, I do not count individual rounds.

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You don’t sound like a very smart person.

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You sound like a judgemental cunt

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I travel with and without. I have bags specifically for firearms and ammo. That way when I travel somewhere that having just one round of 22lr might be an issue I use a bag that never had my firearm stuff. It eliminates the uncertainty.

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Kewl. Till one actually slips by and you are getting 10 years in jail for it.

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60 points

Would America just release tourists who broke their laws?

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What is an American law that’s equivalent to this?

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26 points

Weed is legal in Canada, illegal in the US.

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Yeah, what about their Second Amendment Rights in other countries? /s

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4 points

No, not that at all. What they did is unlawful in the US as well.

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15 points

Bring along a Kinder surprise egg into the US and see how understanding and friendly the US legal system is to people who made a honest mistake.

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You can bring them back with no issue. It has never been an issue, just a regulatory prohibition on selling them.

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Marijuana maybe? I don’t know how strict the guns laws are there but that’s the closest I can think of.

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Copyright infringement, DRM circumvention, and “hacking.”

See: Aaron Swartz

On January 6, 2011, Swartz was arrested by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) police on state breaking-and-entering charges, after connecting a computer to the MIT network in an unmarked and unlocked closet and setting it to download academic journal articles systematically from JSTOR using a guest user account issued to him by MIT. Federal prosecutors, led by Carmen Ortiz, later charged him with two counts of wire fraud and eleven violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, carrying a cumulative maximum penalty of $1 million in fines, 35 years in prison, asset forfeiture, restitution, and supervised release.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

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oh I can think of tens of thousands of people imprisoned for just holding a tiny bit of weed. bet some of them were mexican, canadian and otherwise foreign citizens, do you think that gave the local yokels pause in putting them in jail? charging them?

LOLOL

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A prison sentence doesn’t make sense in these cases, since there is no risk of repeat offenses and therefore no rehabilitation required.

Just give them a 4 digit large fine and maybe deport them, unless you have a non-functioning justice system focused on cruelty, then give them a significant prison sentence.

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Keep in mind that legal systems in other countries might actually work differently.

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Apparently they had fines before, are facing increased gun violence and thus increased the punishment.

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Maybe they love to punish stupid Americans.

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Who doesn’t?

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