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Capitalism is fundamentally, ideologically opposed to a good quality of life for virtually all human beings.

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Except for the handful of sociopaths that get to live like kings while you struggle to stay alive.

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That’s just the thing. It’s bad for the sociopaths also because we’re feeding into their delusions. Their hoarding is also an illness.

Even if we argue that the sociopaths benefit, billionaires are a vanishingly small slice of humanity.

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Yeah. They’re not genuinely happy. They don’t really have friends, and are also isolated from their communities.

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That’s not true at all. Capitalism has many flaws, but your claim is simply false.

I’m guessing you’re conflating capitalism with the deeply non-capitalist legal structures that have been erected on top of it in most of the world. One of the most common examples is corporate welfare, which is exactly as capitalist as welfare for private citizens. I’m not trying to attack or defend welfare with this statement, but I am emphasizing that that’s not how capitalism works.

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States controlled by bourgeois interests are a consequence of Capitalism and an extension of it, not some random freak occurance.

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Indeed. I like the idea of capitalism, but it rapidly becomes something else, something more sinister and harmful to all. It doesn’t just stay capitalism. It concentrates wealth and then the wealth makes the bottom fall out.

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You dislike the middle class?

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I’m open to learning. How does capitalism avoid the infinite concentration of wealth into the hands of one eventually?

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Every system has flaws, to be sure - e.g. in Saudi Arabia, which is as anticapitalist as possible due to the government owning everything, all wealth is concentrated in the monarch - and capitalism is no exception. My answer to you has to be specific to certain types of goods, because for other types, capitalism will absolutely fail in the manner you describe and needs government regulation not to.

In this context, I will use “fail” to mean the failure you asked about, only 1 wealthy person.

Example where capitalism will generally not fail, and, in fact, has never failed in recorded history: restaurants. If our mysterious wealthy person attempts to own every restaurant simultaneously, someone else will open a rival restaurant and the plan will fail (and even if somehow no one could open a rival anywhere, people could choose to eat at home). No one in any country has ever managed to own every restaurant at once.

Example where capitalism will absolutely fail over time: oil. It is trivial, given enough time, for one person to eventually own all access to oil - Rockefeller is a great example of someone working hard at this, successfully.

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Regulatory capture is actually a core feature of capitalism.

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Corruption is no more likely in capitalism than in any other system.

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I’m fine with billionaires going to space. I just have a problem with them coming back to Earth.

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I know the punchline is good as it is but i like to point out that it is actually easier to launch billionaries out of the solar system than into the sun

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And leave that trash in space? Litterbug!

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What about deep down in the ocean? I heard of some recent tests…

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But then they might come back?

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Not if we superglue and then tie them to the seat. And give them no controls on the inside. And just play a loop of “nah, nah, nah, nah. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Hey, hey, hey. Goodbye.” Not even the whole song. Just that part, on infinite loop.

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And so was born the unfortunately named Epstein drive

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Just blow up the ship ffs

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What’s wrong with an orbit that’ll decay into the sun? That’ll take even less energy.

Lemmy is as bad as Reddit for these stupid pop-sci talking points.

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I think you are greatly overestimating the easiness of send cargo to the sun

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With the trillions they steal from the rest of us we should be able to fund the project fairly easily.

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When your ship is going to the Sun, it has to cancel out nearly all of the orbital motion it inherited from Earth. In order to have the ship drop straight down towards the Sun on a one-way collision course, the ship would have to leave Earth’s sphere of influence at a relative velocity of 30 km/s.

But remember, Earth’s gravity will try to pull the ship along with it, so in reality you’d have to depart from Earth at a relative velocity of about 31.6 km/s (70,700 mph). That’s nearly twice as fast as the ship would have to go in order to escape from the Sun.

The parker solar probe cost was about 1.5 billions. A fully manned one way Mars mission would cost about 20 billions going by the cheaper estimate.

The same one way mission going to the sun would be 10k times more expensive.

About 2 hundred trillions USD

By 2022, total earth GDP was about 100 trillions.

Yeah it’s not happening anytime soon

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The billionaires don’t have to be intact on their flight.

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Ok, listen tough guy, you make that a two or even three way trip or whatever you need, do the math while the rest of us catch the rich and plunder their physical vaults full of gold coins which we will use to buy the rocket, and then we meet up again to discuss how to shove 'em up there kay

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Couldn’t you just go for a slow, spiralling course instead of the direct route? Much less correction needed from Earth’s course, just a constant deceleration relative to the orbit path.

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You can use earths, moons, or any others gravity to aim the rocket.

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Stupid question: do asteroids hit the sun, or do they get pushed away by the sun and melt?

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If you have pretty much any lateral velocity, you’ll end up in a highly elliptical orbit and miss the sun

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LHvR1fRTW8g&pp=ygUYaG93IHRvIGZhbGwgaW50byB0aGUgc3Vu

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Missing the artist! First Dog On The Moon! https://firstdogonthemoon.com.au/

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