Back when we would record onto VHS, is that considered piracy? Found a super bowl XXXI tape from my Uncle circa 1997. I’m curious lol.

Also side note, have any of you dabbled in digitizing old VHS? Have quite a few home videos on VHS and I’m wanting to preserve them for the future. I’ve done a bit of research and have come across a wide array of information. I know that doesn’t really qualify as piracy, if there’s a better comm for this, please direct me there!

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In 1984, this issue made it all the way to the US Supreme Court, which ultimately decided that recording television to tape using a VCR for personal use (“timeshifting”) is fair use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Universal_City_Studios,_Inc.

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To the top with you! I see some opinions quoted, but yours is the right answer.

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Came here to say “Time shifting”.

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For personal use, so not for distribution and a copy made on your own, not procured from someone else, right?

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The Wikipedia article has these relevant quotes from the court opinion:

The question is thus whether the Betamax is capable of commercially significant noninfringing uses … one potential use of the Betamax plainly satisfies this standard, however it is understood: private, noncommercial time-shifting in the home.[7] […] [W]hen one considers the nature of a televised copyrighted audiovisual work… and that time-shifting merely enables a viewer to see such a work which he had been invited to witness in its entirety free of charge, the fact… that the entire work is reproduced… does not have its ordinary effect of militating against a finding of fair use.[8]

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So yeah, private, non commercial, in the home, for content you would have otherwise been able to see for yourself in the past by the “regular” means available to you.

Which is vastly different from going on the internet and downloading a movie with your favorite torrent program when you wouldn’t have otherwise been able to see it…

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Of course it was Sony filing the suit. Of course.

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Partially off-topic but I rarely get the chance to tell this story:

My old man was a porn hound. Talking wall of VHS tapes. You know what I’m picturing, that was his living room. Had 4 VCR’s hooked up at once with several switches, a few switchboards for colour and audio correction, whole 9 yards. Lost an eye when I was a kid so always wanted to make his viewing ‘optimal’ for him.

What he’d end up doing was go down to the local Variety Video, rent 5-6 tapes, come home, and dub em over the weekend. Then once dubbed, remove the label with some heat, open the cassettes (the og and the copy he made) and swap the reels so he’d have the original one (which would be ever-so-slightly better quality than the copy he made, again, cause of his sight). Then seal em up, return the copy and no one was the wiser. Did this for close to 15 years before the place closed down (for unrelated reasons) and had his huge wall of big titty wank material for years to come lmao.

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Unrelated reasons, of course.

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That’s dedication.

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Loved him some tiddy.

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The ur-gooner

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80s Goon Cave.

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“I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone.” — Jack Valenti, MPAA president, 1982

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You wouldn’t download a serial killer.

But you could download countless murder-mystery audiobooks and ebooks from Libby, so that’s a close second.

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The VCR was invented, marketed, and sold to do this very thing. When the VCR first came out (same for betamax) they didn’t sell pre-recorded tapes because the only way they had to make those was to manually record them individually in real-time which was prohibitively expensive. That’s also why movie rental places caught on: early VHS movies were too expensive for most to afford. But not too expensive for a business to rent hundreds of times.

Suffice to say: if recording TV was piracy, it wasn’t illegal and the people bitching had no way to enforce their will.

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People did end up copying rentals too. Not just for videos but also games.

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Pre-recorded tapes usually had a primitive form of copy protection called macrovision. It would make the copy pretty much unwatchable, but it was fairly simple to remove. You could build or buy a device that would strip it out.

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Yup, those little inline filters. Even building the circuit for $5-10 in RadioShack parts was pretty simple.

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My modded original Xbox was magical. Rent a game from Hollywood Video, rip it straight to the Xbox hard drive, return it.

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We had one of those thingies that would allow you to rip SNES cartridge roms onto floppy disks.

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Everything that gives people non-gatekept access to any media is considered “piracy” by the powers that be.

That propaganda image is from the 80s.

Re: NFL

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Which is weird because neither of those things are illegal. You can absolutely tape the radio. You just can’t distribute it. Just like you can copy your own media for your own use as much as you want.

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True, but that doesn’t stop them from being propagandized as “piracy”.

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Remember, no business is required to tell the truth. Had a pipeline go through my backyard and you would not believe the lies that company told. Glad I lawyered up instead of believing the lies.

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