On the flip side, this also means users have the option to have a cleaner, less cluttered interface.

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[AUGUST 8, 2023] A new viewer experience that better corresponds to your YouTube watch history preferences

One of the benefits of having YouTube watch history on is that it enables YouTube to provide video recommendations you may be interested in; however, we know some prefer to clear and turn off your YouTube watch history. Starting today, we’re changing how you see recommendations on YouTube, based on your Watch History settings:

Starting today, if you have YouTube watch history off and have no significant prior watch history, features that require watch history to provide video recommendations will be disabled – like your YouTube home feed. This means that starting today, your home feed may look a lot different: you’ll be able to see the search bar and the left-hand guide menu, with no feed of recommended videos thus allowing you to more easily search, browse subscribed channels and explore Topic tabs instead.

We’re rolling these changes out slowly, over the next few months. We are launching this new experience to make it more clear which YouTube features rely on watch history to provide video recommendations and make it more streamlined for those of you who prefer to search rather than browse recommendations. You can change your YouTube watch history settings at any time based on whether you prefer us to provide video recommendations or not.

126 points

This initially sounded like they were forcing users to their history under the guise of providing suggestions, however it really just means “no history, no suggestions”

I’m ok with this

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47 points

If they also kill autoplay it would be super.

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I can see how autoplay can be useful, though.

What I don’t like is that it’s opt-out.

So every time I use a new browser, I have to disable it yet again.

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17 points

Isn’t that a toggleable option?

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1 point

On the TV version of YouTube, I still have no idea how to turn that off. It’s much easier on desktop and mobile.

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17 points

I see no downside here I hate suggestions 90% are crap. I prefer to discover things on my own. I don’t want your suggestions and turning off autoplay be cherry on the top.

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5 points

They could go back to suggesting only videos related to the one you’re watching but they really want The Engagement Algorithm to be the only one available :(

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4 points

I’m COMPLETELY okay with this.

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4 points

G O O D. Their suggestion engine provides no diversity. Once you watch one video about something, that something is all they show you

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2 points

Yes, I do wish it had a longer memory. It feels like only the past few days of watching has any impact on suggestions, if you’ve neglected to watch videos about a certain topic for over a week it’s basically ancient history and never comes up again. I’d love to get a varied mix of things I’ve been interested in for the past 6 months or even longer.

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I’d even like a ranking scheme like we have here on the threadiverse. Show me videos with a lot of activity, ones that have been showing a lot of promise, what’s been happening over the past 12, 24, 48, or 72 hours.

I guess what I’m saying is I want long form video content like YouTube to be delivered and ranked like comment threads on Lemmy and the older link aggregator(s)

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Technically couldn’t they do this without “history”… Isnt that what cookies are for? I mean they can already show me shit based of what I say with my phone in my pocket, lol.

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Cookies are a way of establishing persistence between a device and a site (most commonly a server session).

They could technically put some of your history in the cookie, but it wouldn’t be retained between devices nor if you logout/clear-cookies.

To keep it consistent and build those suggestions across devices and logins, it needs to be saved on a server somewhere, which is essentially… history tracking.

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Not legally because of various data tracking laws around the world. Maybe they can where you life, but then then need to be 100% sure they have that right. By making this clear they can argue in court they need to track this data, and that you have the option to not have it tracked.

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80 points

Maybe they should stop recommending videos I’ve already watched. And if I reroll give me a brand new list.

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14 points

Yeah, 70% of my reccomended is just videos I’ve already seen, and 29% is clickbait trash, but every now and then I do get a very good reccomendation, that I simply would never know about without it, so I’m not sure if I want to turn recommendations off yet.

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8 points

they now they run out of interesting content when they recommend you already watched stuff. Youtube™ is overblown

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1 point

Not always their fault. Seems the dashcam channels have started copying each other’s content and rebranding it.

Would be nice if videos 90% watched would bugger off though.

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32 points

They could at least add a filter to remove shorts; but no, they do this.

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22 points

They did the opposite and shoved a pointless shorts section in the middle of your subscription page so you can’t see what you actually want to look at.

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I know I’ll catch shit for this but I kinda don’t mind shorts. Sometimes I don’t have anything specific to watch and I just wanna waste 10 mins…

The content quality varies wildly and it doesn’t seem to have a very good algorithm but it succeeds in helping me burn 5-10 mins while I’m waiting on someone or something.

I think YouTube expects people to burn hours on it like TikTok but I don’t see that happening.

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2 points

That’s what I use lemmy for.

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2 points

Still, it sucks that they’re pushing them so hard on everyone. I tried to see the appeal, but I can’t stomach short form content at all. I get whiplash!

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1 point

I don’t mind them existing either. My issue is with how they show up in the subscription feed now. I’d prefer separate feeds for shorts.

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2 points

No? I’m seeing zero shorts in my feed

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29 points

Do they think this is some kind of threat?

Fuck the recommendations - all I get is the same 15 suggestions across multiple categories, most of them I’ve already watched or in my subscriptions.

The beauty of YouTube used to be the random jewels of clips that would surface, now it’s just corporate friendly pop stars latest music videos and the same shitty content over and over and over again.

It’s impossible to just stumble across anything unique on yt now.

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6 points

Totally agree, there’s so much good content on there but all I see are the same 10-ish content creators and it fucking sucks.

Any 3rd party site that gives better YT recommendations?

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25 points

This is youtube being salty about people not wanting them to keep track of their watch list. because even without it youtube could make a lot of bucks by just suggesting based of other parameters. They are betting on nudging people the way they want.

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