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Military service is compulsory for most Jewish men and women in Israel. But politically powerful ultra-Orthodox parties have won exemptions for their followers to skip military service and instead study in religious seminaries.

So…

Their religious beliefs prevents them from having military service…

But not supporting a genocide…

And they can still violently attack people?

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Most ultra-orthodox Jews are actually anti-zionists. It’s not uncommon to see them joining pro-palestine peace protests.

Within Israel they are a minority, and their broadly anti-war stance combined with their dependence on the state for financial support (most of the men are unemployed) have made them quite unpopular in the eyes of the general population.

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I’m confused…

Are they a politically powerful group like the Associated Press says?

Or a small minority with no political power like a random social media account just told me?

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The vast majority of Hareidi Jews are Zionist. There are small groups totalling a few thousand who are Anti Zionist but live in Israel.

The Ultra Orthodox majority not only supports the state, but are represented by religious parties in the current government under Netanyahu.

Edit: Survey data shown below shows that although Hareidi Jews in Israel participate in the government, are represented by designated parties, and those parties are members of the current government under Netanyahu, the majority of those same people consider themselves either “not too” Zionist or “not at all” Zionist.

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I didn’t say they weren’t politically powerful. The two main Haredi (Ultra-orthodox) parties are significant part of Netanyahu’s coalition, and they have always had a disproportionate power compared to the Haredi population because almost all Haredi voters vote for them.

Within the Haredi community there is still a wide range of opinions, of course. However, even within Israel most have not traditionally described themselves as Zionists (only 33% percent, according to a 2016 survey).

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Well that’s an eye-opener

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Its not true however. This is Neturei Karta, a small group of a few hundred members that has been denounced by even other Ultra Orthodox groups such as Satmar. Most ultra Orthodox Jews are Zionist [edit: based their participation in the state], although there is a minority who believe that the State of Israel is illegitimate because only God can create a Jewish State in the Land of Israel.

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They are a minority in Israel, but powerful because they all vote as a block, so their votes are almost guaranteed.

They believe that their prayer and study provides divine protection to Jews in the land of Israel, so is better than military service. Most Israelis consider that bs and say that they are living for free off of the state.

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Be Genocidal

Fight against israel government so you don’t have to fight against Hamas

???

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I mean it makes perfect sense if the hypocrisy is self serving in all parts. Usually being a hypocrite is a shameful state of being, that’s why they have to insulate themselves with those like them.

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More I read, the more predictable Israeli politics seems.

The outcome always seems to be “what’s most beneficial for Netanyahu’s survival.”

And in this case, its preserving the status quo since he needs that for a coalition, I guess?

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That didn’t take long. If nothing Yahoo doesn’t resend this, it’ll probably bring his entire coalition crashing down around him and he’ll lose power finally. Which is the one thing he fears most, and the entire reason he’s waging his genocide.

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Nothing yahoo got me rolling 🤣🤣🤣

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