The president must decide if his candidates should drop out and back the left to stop the far right winning power in France.

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It would be a good idea, but historically centrist liberals will team up with conservatives to stop the left before the opposite. Let’s see what happens in France.

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That’s exactly what’s happening. In counties where there are three or more candidates for the second turn, the progressives asked their third place candidate to withdraw, not to split the vote. They’re waiting for the same favour from Macron’s candidate, which will most likely not come.

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Fwiw around 70 macronist 3rd place candidates have dropped out compared 110 popular front ones, which is roughly proportional to their votes.

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Please stop calling them conservative call the animal with its own name: Fascists

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Well, I wouldn’t count on Le Sword to do it.

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The pen is indeed mightier than the sword.

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War is hell. France is bacon.

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Can I at least eat France now?

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I remember this one 😂

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The entire non-authoritarian fascist population of earth is fucked. Can we just get it over with already

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This is the best summary I could come up with:


PARIS  —  After his snap election gamble backfired, Emmanuel Macron faces a bitterly painful choice: pull his candidates out to try to stop the far right, or attempt to save what remains of his once-dominant movement before it dies.

Europe’s second-biggest economy and the EU’s only nuclear-armed power is now closer than ever before to ushering in a far-right government for the first time, after Marine Le Pen’s National Rally (RN) took a dramatic lead in the first stage of voting.

If the second-round vote on July 7 delivers a parliamentary majority for the National Rally — and forecasts suggest it’s possible — France will be in uncharted waters: The country would be governed, at least in part, by politicians who made their names sympathizing with Vladimir Putin while vowing to rip up the European Union, wage war on migration and quit NATO.

Now his centrist allies face enormous pressure to pull out of the race in many areas and advise their supporters to vote for the left-wing alliance, which includes far-left radicals, in an attempt to beat Le Pen.

The far-left France Unbowed party and its leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon has emerged as arguably an even greater foe for the centrists than Le Pen, after a year spent fighting in the National Assembly.

The clearest sign of the cordon sanitaire breaking came from Macron ally and former Prime Minister Edouard Philippe, who explicitly called on voters to oppose the National Rally and France Unbowed, too.


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And to think, if they just listened to the voters and curbed immigration, this wouldnt have happened

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The immigration angle is bait and switch politicking. Has been for decades.

People feel economically stagnant and culturally disconnected.

Couldn’t be the capitalist machine grinding you to dust while gnawing away any sort of social institutions or greater visions than “line goes up”. It’s clearly Juan or Abdul who are scrabbling to send a few dollars or Euros to their family. Excluding them is gonna roll back the clock to when a single worker could get a no-degree factory job straight out of high school and raise a sitcom-style family of four, you know!

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Immigration does curb wage growth, while inflation continues to erode the middle class.

It is a real issue and refusing to address it won’t help centrists or the left stay in power anywhere.

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“Curbed immigration” means people from the Middle East and Africa, right? If a lot of Canadians decided to emigrate, something tells me people like you would be much less upset.

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If anyone needs proof about what you’re saying: just compare the backlash against the EU taking in 1 million Syrian refugees (which lasted for years) vs the backlash against the EU taking in 4 million Ukrainian refugees (of which I’ve heard virtually no complaints).

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So here’s an immigrant perspective; as an Eastern European in Western Europe I see that the wealthy are using me as a cudgel to keep the locals down. I’m paying quite high rents in a market where a lot of the locals in different careers can’t, and there is a housing crisis. The place I’m renting could be where someone’s kid would move out to.

And it’s partly German neocolonialism that fucked up Eastern Europe, so thank Merkel I’m here, since it’s this or the VW factory.

That said, the people who kept the whole literal city awake honking their horns last midnight while waving Turkish flags, or the Moroccan teenagers accosting everyone near my place, including hurling abuse at my Asian or queer neighbours don’t scream peaceful coexistence.

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That said, the people who kept the whole literal city awake honking their horns last midnight while waving Turkish flags, or the Moroccan teenagers accosting everyone near my place, including hurling abuse at my Asian or queer neighbours don’t scream peaceful coexistence.

I think the argument to make here is that those people should be dealt with on an individual level rather than demonize an entire group. For every Turk honking their horns in your city at midnight, I am guessing there were exponentially more sleeping or trying to sleep but they couldn’t because of the small number of assholes honking horns.

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Well they have a similar culture.

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And there it is. They’re too “different” to be allowed to emigrate to Europe.

Despite Europe going over there and “civilizing” them when they invaded all of their countries and ran them for years.

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Immigration isn’t the cause of the problems that the people of France have been facing. Reducing or ending immigration would make problems worse.

The problem is that rich, wealthy elites control the country for their own benefit, hoarding all of the resources for themselves. Then they blame immigrants for causing the problem instead.

If resources in france were equally distributed, everyone would have ~300,000 euros.

You are angry at the wrong people.

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I have several friends in France. Immigration is a big part of why they are voting conservative.

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Your friends have been scammed by the wealthy ruling elite. They’re voting conservative because they’ve been told that will solve the problems they’re experiencing, but it won’t. It will only make them worse.

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That’s literally what every French government has done for the past 30 years. But facts are not enough. You have to speak like the far right to convince. “Moderates” tried, but voters prefer the real thing to the copy.

They don’t care that what they want is not possible and/or doesn’t work.

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What curbing has happened in the last 30 years? Its thousands of times higher than it was 30 years ago.

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Here’s a couple of examples: https://www.caminteresse.fr/societe/immigration-tout-ce-qui-a-change-sous-sarkozy-1128905/

I’ll update this post with more links later.

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The masses are asses

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Problem is that most western democracies rely on those cheap migrants worker to fill most jobs that locals do not want to fill anymore for various reasons (physical difficulty, low wages, bad images).

So yeah, if you want cities filled with garbages, amazon packages that takes weeks to arrive, among other. Go on. Kick them all out.

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Problem is that most western democracies rely on those cheap migrants worker to fill most jobs that locals do not want to fill anymore

WRONG.

It’s supposed to be a market economy, if someone doesn’t want to do the job for an advertised rate you’re supposed to increase the rate until it becomes palatable.

Not import people to artificially keep wages and living conditions down for the working class.

So yeah, if you want cities filled with garbages, amazon packages that takes weeks to arrive, among other. Go on. Kick them all out.

If you want living conditions to continue to get worse and wages to spiral downwards until food completely unaffordable, keep importing people to keep the wages down, like you suggest.

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It’s supposed to be a market economy, if someone doesn’t want to do the job for an advertised rate you’re supposed to increase the rate until it becomes palatable.

I’m not against the idea, after all that’s what the left ask for a long time, but it will increase cost, which will be impacted on everyone cost of living. For a party that make most of its campaign on improving everyone standard of living, their ideas would have the opposite effect.

Not import people to artificially keep wages and living conditions down for the working class.

“Importing” people kinda sound like you consider them as goods, which isn’t an appropriate way to call them. They are humans beings, with the same fundamental right as any local. But that’s probably not the point you wanted to point, so let’s skip that part.

Most of those people went through a perilous journey, which often result in their death. Some are motivated by the better living wages, sure (can we blame them, that’d be like having a country offering millions of € as a base wage for an average European, I doubt most would skip on that), but most are just refugee from war thorn countries that just wish to find a safe place to live. They are lured by criminal groups that rob them of all of their belongings, some of their dignity (sold as slaves in Libya, things like that), in hope to get a ticket to what seem as a promised land compared to their home countries. And if they are sent back, it would mean starting over from nothing, with no money nor work (which is some case would result in their death by starvation). For some of them that also mean sentencing them to torture and/or death, just because they are from an unwanted ethnicity, are gay, or anything the local consider as undesirable. I don’t think we can condemn them for trying, considering some of their home countries problem are a direct result of western action (creating countries out of nothing without taking ethnic boundaries into account, among other things), but we have a moral duty to at least give them a fair chance at proving they can integrate into their adoptive countries.

No country can welcome everyone, but putting every bad things on the back of the “migrants” by defining them as a generic bad person that’s only there to do bad things is dishonest at best. Most of France problems are the result of years on gifts to the rich in hope that they’d be magnanimous enough to create more work (they never did, or at best did the bare minimum). Migrants are just straw-men used as a stepping stone by those who are more interested in power than in helping others.

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I think in the case of France and Europe, the Syrian civil war led to a lot of refugees coming. I’m sure they did find jobs, but it wasn’t the primary reason for their arrival.

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I think in the case of France and Europe, colonizing half the fucking world led to a lot of refugees coming.

Oh, lots of Algerians coming to France? Maybe you shouldn’t have conquered fucking Algeria and given them a reason to.

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Ahh Yes they accepted them because they are the nice guys haha

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Theres a lot of countries in between syria and france

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