I take issue with the article’s assertion that it’s a “sneaky payrise” as if it’s somehow dishonest.

I’ve done this before after accumulating several years worth of leave due to a previous employer having strange ideas about project management and the mythical man-month.

I suppose I was kind of pressured into it, but I also liked having a pseudo-bonus that year.

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Paywalled so I can’t read the article, but yeah, this is not some sneaky loophole. Unused annual leave is a liability to the employer, and you can’t cash in leave without employer agreement.

So I’m gonna argue this is probably better for the government that has just made a bunch of people redundant and pushed that work onto remaining staff, than it is for the staff who deserve some time off but can’t take it on account of all that extra work that needs doing.

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There is a minor advantage to the worker, if they accrued the AL at one pay rate and didn’t use it. Then the use/cash it in at a later date after a pay increase, the accrued AL is payed out at the higher rate.

This isn’t much of an advantage, unless you have had a major correction to your pay rate in the intervening period (like 20-30% increase). For a “normalish” pay rise of 5% the increase is small.

e.g. AL = 0.08 * rate, after a pay rise it is 0.08 * (rate * 1.05) or 0.084 * oldRate (for old accumulated leave).

A side note, it would be better for businesses if AL was accumulated in $ rather than hours. It is better for workers if it is accumulated in hours rather than $. To be fair thought, if it was in $ there would have to be adjustments for time value of money, it would be way more complicated and almost impossible to audit correctly.

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It’s probably a good thing that employers are incentivised to make employees take their leave. Imagine if it was in $ and the longer your employer avoided letting you take leave, the more the value eroded due to inflation…

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Odd, wasn’t paywalled for me other wise I’d have found another source.

I guess The Post plays a little bit of silly buggers with the paywall.

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Do you access from work where your work might have an IP-identified work subscription?

It seems The Post is a Stuff site deliberately split off so it can be paywalled regional content (along with a couple of others): https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/29-04-2023/inside-stuffs-bold-unconventional-new-paywall-plan

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No, I was on a train via cellular, using my regular ol’ Firefox…

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Taking what is owed to you is sneaky? To whomever wrote the article: fuck off

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Pretty shocking framing there; almost worth a complaint as its quite a distance from what the truth is.

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Yeah this happened at my company because there was too much accrued time which is a risk for the company. So they offered a use 2 get 1 free within a couple of months. Some coworkers suggested holding out for a better ratio…

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Some people just don’t have a life outside of work, do they? You wouldn’t have to tell me twice if I got that offer.

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They used to allow this in Australia, but they canned it a few years ago because they became concerned that people were accumulating leave rather than taking it. They said it was for out mental well-being… so get ready for that

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From memory, I believe one government increased legal minimum annual leave from 3 to 4 weeks, then the following government changed it so you still got the 4th week but you could cash it in on agreement with your employer. So you can’t cash it all in, just 1/4 per year.

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