Funny, the comment types here are the same as on Youtube:

  1. “I still run Android and it is totally fine, will never switch Android just got worse!”
  2. “Well, money”
  3. “Companies need to support phones longer”
  4. “I just use LineageOS on that device”
  5. Misinformation
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It’s not like the end users typically get any choice… either the service provider makes an update available or they don’t.

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Your choice is making sure to buy a well supported, timely updated device. If you can’t is a different issue. But, if you don’t is on you. Vote with your wallet.

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Your choice is making sure to buy a well supported, timely updated device.

Sure, that choice is currently available, but it wasn’t when many of those devices were purchased. For example, I’m currently using a Galaxy S10e which had just about the best support of any Android phone. Now I’m stuck on Android 12. I actually planned on using it with Lineage, but somewhere between my S7 and the S10e, Samsung stopped using Exynos in their Canadian phones, and I didn’t realize it. The hardware is still more than good, and as others have pointed out, with Play Service updates, the software isn’t really obsolete either, it’s just a concern I’m not getting security updates.

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Samsung is especially bad as they lock out security features for custom Android versions. (It is not a ROM, it is an OS).

GrapheneOS would support Samsung, maybe. But they allow many critical security features like measured boot (I think) only for their own OS.

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S10e. I was talking more about current devices. The next device you upgrade too should be better. Be it samsung, pixel, fairohone, oneplus, etc.

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As long as my provider is selling me service for the device then they have a responsibility to support it and provide upgrades. I do vote with my wallet by not being on the upgrade treadmill.

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Vote with your wallet

Buy new device if old one isn’t supported anymore

Hmm

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Newer smartphones are supported anywhere from 6-7. Fairphone being supported even higher. Unless, you are saying that’s not enough in that case custom roms are your 2nd option after official support.

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I don’t blame the users. There’s usually no way to upgrade android versions, so we get stuck unless we replace the phone, and most people can’t afford to replace their phones so often. I’d go further and say that people shouldn’t be supposed to replace their phones because of a new software version. The android’s distribution model is flawed, we should be able to upgrade our phones the same way we upgrade linux distros. If it was possible, then I would blame users for running unmaintained software.

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Keep in mind that many Linux users have Laptops with no firmware updates anymore.

But I agree of course, we need laws for that

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14 points

Google really needs to decouple the hardware from the OS. There’s no good reason newer Android couldn’t be installed on older phones.

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Google doesnt do anything here. The OEMs need to port the Android kernel to older hardware.

They often just support one LTS kernel.

But Android even supports the LTS kernel for 6 years now.

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Google doesnt do anything here. The OEMs need to port the Android kernel to older hardware.

Wrong. Google had multiple projects like Treble to decouple the software from the hardware. What happened with it?

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Google develops Android and thus is responsible for it’s update scheme. They already changed it quite a bit in the last years with GSIs and Project Treble but there’s still no real seperation that would allow the same drivers and hardware blobs to be used independent of the Android Version or updating the Android version without these needing to be included every time.

That’s what needs to change.

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Their own phones have support for the mainline kernel. It is the vendors that dont want to upstream their drivers and produce half-proprietary garbage they dont publish, so nobody can update these devices.

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You can run new android on an old kernel, see lineageos

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Yes and this is not secure. The kernel runs as root.

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The kernel is the problem

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14 points

My 4GB phone was perfectly usable on Android 11. It upgrade itself to android 12 and it’s basically can’t keep a second app in background anymore.

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Try a lighter custom ROM if you can. LineageOS’s implementation of Android 14 is still usable with a 4 GB device.

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Changing ROMs is a huge pain. Not only it can brick the phone, full backups were basically made impossible long ago. It’s best to do it as soon as you purchase the phone and that’s what I am gonna do.

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Agreed. Now if only I could find a good device. I am very picky with hardware. I want a Motorola phone with a headphone jack and Lineage OS that works in the US.

I will note that you need to do a complete wipe when changing Roms. It breaks random things in the OS

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Nah, it’s pretty easy. I’ve done it many times myself. You have to be pretty unlucky or stupid to brick a phone.

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It works well with a 3gb device. I honestly was expecting it to croak but it works better than new phones with Google junk.

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Yeah I have a Redmi Note 4X running Android 13 LineageOS. It still runs okay.

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Google bloat.

My 3gb of ram works fine with background apps and Lineage OS 21. (Android 14)

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Borked update by manufacturer. What device if I may ask?

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Xiaomi Redmi note 10.

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Ah, xiaomi. I don’t know if it’s the same with Mi branded smartphones. But, that was my experience with Redmi smartphones.

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i’m running 14 on an S4 mini, i think they made some great changes

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It looks like 13

If feels more like a feature release

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The update ecosystem is still continuously being crippled by both the device vendors, and for some fucking reason, the carriers

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