US mainstream news outlets like CBS News with actual reporters on the ground at the time: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/

Classified US communications with assets on the ground: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html

Image Analysis

More Read: https://redsails.org/another-view-of-tiananmen/

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It was not fabricated by the US. Full stop. It has absolutely been used as propaganda, like literally every politically charged event ever, but it actually happened and wasn’t made up. A lot of brave Chinese men and women died that day. The exact number will likely never be known because it was and is an indefensible act by the Chinese military and by extension government and they will never share their true, unabridged reports of the event.

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Lol yeah sure just like how the Trail of Tears and transatlantic slave trade never actually happened, rather they were fabricated by China to discredit the peaceful and freedom loving American government

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Don’t forget how the Chinese used smallpox infected blankets to kill off indigenous populations in the Americas. /S

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A new book reveals that numerous atrocities that the United States had alleged to have been committed by its foes never happened to begin with.

Reveals? Seriously?

The hoax built around Tiananmen Square was a blueprint for US media campaigns aimed at showing the Chinese government in a bad light, as Washington went on to accuse Beijing of perpetrating a genocide against the Uyghur people in Xinjiang province.

Oh, please.

Keep your tankie apologist shit to yourself. Thanks.

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Congratuations citizen! You have been awarded with +250 Social Credits for proving China did nothing wrong. If you also prove that Uyghurs in our country have no complaints whatsoever, you can get an additional +500 Social Credits.

All hail our glorious leader Xi Jinping

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Congratulations citizen! You have been awarded with a 600 FICO score for promulgating sinophobic nonsense. If you also prove that China is the Big Evil, you can get an additional 250 FICO score.

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I don’t think you see the irony in using the dead trope of “Social Credits” when an actual credit score exists in FICO and can be used to deny you housing, loans (and therefore access to education), jobs, and more. And if you think it’s just financial transactions, try looking at what companies like LexisNexis have on you that it coalesces into things like “RiskView”, or how much of a profile skip tracing agencies have on everyone. Then you have the profiles built on you by several government domestic (and foreign) surveillance agencies. And you have the profiles built on you by several big tech companies. Just because there’s not a single, unified, government-sponsored surveillance and consumer rating agency doesn’t mean the tangible effects of such disparate systems aren’t identical to what you claim happens in China (i.e., denial of services and access). It doesn’t matter if it’s 50 different entities controlling parts of the system if the end result is identical.

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Oh cool the redditors are here now

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Go back to

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Yes, not supporting a government that does genocide at this very moment against Uyghurs definetly somehow means I support a dead genocidal regime.

This might be controversial to you, but genocide is not a good thing.

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Go back to , and take your Adrian Zenz nonsense with you.

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From your CNN link:

But there’s no question many people were killed by the army that night around Tiananmen Square, and on the way to it — mostly in the western part of Beijing.

Saying that the “Tiananmen Square massacre” killings actually happened in other parts of the city may be an important academic distinction, but it isn’t a particularly stirring defense of the army’s actions.

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Let me be clear here, No one’s denying skirmishes and bloodshed. But the way it is portrayed in the western media is actually far from the ground reality. Have a read at that btw even WikiLeaks provide evidence of fabrication by the US

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thx, nice read!

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Considering this is the image of Tiananmen that lives in the western popular consciousness, I think there is real value in deconstructing this myth though. When I learned that western journalists are all in agreement that no massacre took place in the square itself, I became more interested in researching the events myself because other Western views concerning what happened could also be misleading or outright lies

spoiler

they were

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