TLDR: Download your content offline before it gets lost forever.
From now on you should never trust online hosting, I started seeing a lot of piracy sources( Streaming websites, torrent indexes,… Etc) get shut down.
So I highly recommend for all pirates to download anything they want offline to reuse and don’t trust keeping it online, sadly for me, a lot of material had been lost as there is almost no online service or piracy service has it( I am talking about material that is 5-10 years old.).
I know that this is not the first time piracy websites/hosts gets taken down but this time feels different as it became aggressive and I feel that in the next months a considerable amount of content are going to be lost.
I download to my HDD and anything truly worth of keeping gets burned to a BD-R disc for long term cold storage. HDD is more likely to fail in 10+ years than a BD-R.
Building a NAS is a large upfront cost but it’s worth it IMO. Giant HDDs are fairly cheap now and you can use cool filesystems like Btrfs to combat bit flips from cosmic rays and the like. I’m not sure I’d trust a dye based optical media, but there are apparently some archive quality 100 year BD-R. Most have a drastically shorter lifespan, though.
According to the Canadian Conservation Institute, which publishes a paper on media longevity, BD-R discs are expected to last between 5 and 20 years, depending on the material they are made out of. BD-RE, which is erasable Blu-ray, is estimated for 20 to 50 years while DVD-R and CD-R, which hold a lot less data, can last 50 to 100 years.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/pioneer-new-blu-ray-recorder-and-bdr-promise-100-years-lifespan
Building a NAS is a large upfront cost but it’s worth it IMO.
Too much of a hassle. With discs, they can be transported far easier than a NAS + drives and they can be compartmentalized and distributed to other people easier than with a NAS.
I’m not sure I’d trust a dye based optical media, but there are apparently some archive quality 100 year BD-R.
I wouldn’t trust dye-based optical media either. The BD-R discs I use incorporate an inorganic writable layer that’s rated for 100+ year storage under ideal conditions. BD-R discs are WORM (write once, read many times) so they cannot be re-written-- another massive benefit for archival purposes.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/pioneer-new-blu-ray-recorder-and-bdr-promise-100-years-lifespan
The author of this article did a very poor job at researching the subject matter. There’s zero mention of things like the difference between HTL vs LTH, or things like Verbatim’s MABL layers. There’s a good reason why one form of preferred media storage archivists use is BD-R. Let’s take the 100+ year ratings with a grain of salt, and assume say… 50 years. The average hard drive can be relied on for about 10 years. You can see where I’m going with this, which is why I’m far more comfortable using BD-R discs with HTL/MABL for long term data storage instead of hard drives which would have to be replaced every 10 years or so.
BD-R discs are expected to last between 5 and 20 years, depending on the material they are made out of. BD-RE, which is erasable Blu-ray, is estimated for 20 to 50 years while DVD-R and CD-R, which hold a lot less data, can last 50 to 100 years.
I’ve seen that Canadian govt link passed around on other forums and I’d remind people of how painfully outdated that info is. Again, no mention of HTL, which is the big factor that significantly improves longevity and reliability. What I’ve always found really bizarre is that they single academic paper that the Canadian govt page relies on in terms of BD-R’s lifespan (Iraci 2018) is hardly adequate. If you read Iraci 2018, you’ll see how it… really isn’t based on good data or testing practices at all. I think the problem is people see a scientific citation and (understandably) assume the info is legit, but in this case scratching the surface reveals an incredibly bad research paper written by an author who appears to have very little past/future experience in that field.
Testing involved the exposure of samples to conditions of 80 °C and 85 % relative humidity for intervals up to 84 days
^ That’s from Iraci 2018. Testing the reliability of a product should involve realistic conditions. I’d ask anyone who supports Iraci’s paper to answer this-- in what kind of remotely plausible situation would you find yourself in where conditions are 80 °C with 85% RH? Further, do you trust a paper that purports these conditions to be suitable when testing the longevity of optical media? To me, this is like testing various panes of glass by throwing them off a high rise building. Iraci’s paper is ridiculous, IMO-- and there’s a good reason why it’s been cited like 2 times in the last 6 years.
Are those the m-disc? I’ve heard they’re no longer using the inorganic layer you’re referring to, but still being sold with the same branding.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/yu4j1u/psa_verbatim_no_longer_sells_real_m_discs_now/
For me, it’s just too much risk. I don’t want to have to worry about counterfeit discs or a silent downgrade from the manufacturer. Those inorganic discs are slated to last a long time, but who really knows? A set of HDDs in RAID with a 3-2-1 backup strategy is the gold standard. HDDs do fail, and I’ve already planned for that.
You do point out some good points I didn’t consider before for BD-R, but for me, it’s NAS and sneakernet with flash drives for the homies. Hardly anyone I know has an optical drive anymore, much less a Blu-ray drive in their PC.
People also need to keep seeding torrents. That’s how we can keep stuff alive
Everybody should look into hardlinks and cross-seeding. By today’s standards, it’s painless and very unlikely to ever take up your bandwith
and very unlikely to ever take up your bandwith
Are you sure about that? Not all of us have fiber, you know. For instance, I have like 175 Mbps down, but only like either 2 or 10 Mbps up. (I can’t remember which. Lol.)
In my case, I’m always seeding hundreds of torrents…yet my upload rarely goes above 1 or maaaybe 2 Mbps. Could just be luck, but you can always throttle the speeds if you need to
This goes for any content not just piracy sites. Just the other day I seen someone I watch delete half of their videos but luckily I had downloaded everything.
There’s a bunch of stuff from Youtube alone I can’t see again because I didn’t download it when I had the chance…
12 TB drives are pretty cheap right now.
Diskprices is great for comparing price per terabyte across different brands.
Just bought a bunch of $75 12TB disks from GoHardDrive’s eBay storefront.
Still running through the diagnostics, but nothing has jumped out yet, 48hrs in. Sure, they’re 4 years old and have over a petabyte of lifetime writes. They also have 5 year warranties.
In a sense. They’re also fancy-pants enterprise drives rated to be able to last over a million hours.
Drive failures follow the old “bathtub curve”. You get the lemons that fail when they’re brand new – that’s one side of the curve. Then for several years, they fail at a consistently low rate. Then once they start getting really old, the failure rate goes up – giving you the other side of the curve.
True, these are probably closer to the “old age” side of the bathtub curve. But GHD is pretty good about honoring their warranty. Back stuff up and you should be fine.
HDD usually don’t have a limited number of writes like SSD do, if they are robust, maybe enterprise units, they can last a long time.
In a home environment some prefer using slower (5400 vs 7200), non-enterprise hard drives, maybe fewer drives with higher capacity, to reduce noise, power consumption and improve cooling (in enterprise settings this stuff is standardized and they don’t care about noise, in my custom pc I might have forgotten to use the vibration dampeners or I mounted the disks vertically…every white box is different).
Also there are big differences between different models and makers. If they’re cheap enough those helium filled enterprise drives can be one of the best options!
I started seeing a lot of piracy sources( Streaming websites, torrent indexes,… Etc) get shut down.
Been like that for the past 30 years. Or worse, they remain active but kept as a Honeypot.
