Found on a ‘leftist’ Reddit page…
“you counter-revolutionaries are so dumb. anyways vote blue no matter who”
When someone says Overton Window my eyes roll because I know I’m talking to a liberal reformist who is deeply unserious. I know because I used it all the time in my succ-dem phase when I was desperately trying to cling to reformism and Bernie and not confronting the reality of how the world works.
The only way he’ll push anything is by calling the National Guard on it and they’ll shove it while chanting “Move! Move! Move!”
The guy’s argument does not ring hollow, I think he puts way too much importance on it but has some point to it, I think it’s possible to say that said guy sucks but sucks slightly less so vote that way but don’t expect much and keep up the fight. Either way both him being so mad about it and we mocking him is just quibbling over details, the joining of forces and cooperating with the proletariat must happen independent of election results, so yeah we should debate that but acting in our own interest should always take precedence to pettiness
The time of reformism is over. Almost all parties which had indeed provided reforms for the working class in the past are now straight pushing counter-reforms.
That’s what I keep mentioning. I’ll bring up the fact that Walz or Kamala isn’t likely to give union workers or any worker better benefits. Reproductive rights are awesome; but when the supreme court is stacked with ghouls and we have state legislatures anyways…a president with that power isn’t going to be able to do much if a state goes full reproductive nazi. I think the liberals purposefully ignore the fact that the supreme court can literally dismantle any electoral plan that comes up to actually benefit the average person.
Or they just know that and are purposefully playing blind to it.
Or they just know that and are purposefully playing blind to it.
I know what you mean. Often it is hard to see if one person is purposefully blind or like really don’t understand it.
Often it is like if they don’t care for history, ignoring what happened before. “Before” not in the sense of two weeks, but years, decades etc. I often stop arguing at such points, because it is exhausting to explain history. Regarding agitation this is ofc important, but Jesus Christ you need 100 more times to show them why they are false, when they need 10 seconds to write the weirdest shit.
Yup. Doesn’t even have to be past history. You can point right now that they aren’t putting a single finger up against the genocide and they’ll start brunching and calling you a single-issue purity tester and report everything you say. Half of them straight up accept and embrace the brain-worms while the other half is taken for a ride because they’re so insulated from other takes by their own smugness, echo chambers and failure to yes, read into the past.
In the entire time I’ve been organizing, been online, etc I have a handful of liberals I’ve managed to convince rather than the far more reactionaries that expanded their way of thinking when I present them with alternatives. It is fucked up when I’ve had conservatives and libertarians be more open-minded and accepting of socialist views when presented properly and mindfully.
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