UK Labour are too Tory for me.
I’ve threatened that they’ve lost my vote. (edit)
On LGBTQIA, specifically trans rights.
On their plans for the NHS.
On their plans for health and wealth inequalities in the UK.
On their plans for the relationship the UK has with Europe.
They have to be less Tory to get my vote back.
It’s not acceptable that to not vote Tory, we have to settle for what they offer. They assume their position is acceptable.
If they correct their position, I’ll reconsider
@uk_politics
Can you vote tactically for Lib Dem or Greens without risking more votes going to the Tories?
Mate, we’re under a first past the post system, tactical voting matters to get the most damaging political force, i.e. the Tories, out of power and by a significant majority.
Anything remotely left of the Tories is better, even if it is Centre Centre Centre calling itself Left Labour.
At this point lib Dems are probably left of labour with their policies, given labours recent downturn
You students tried that in 2015 and got Megagiga Tory and in 2016 we left the EU. In 2017 and 2019 when the Lib Dems campaigned to stop Brexit and rejoin it was “they took rrrrr students loans!”. 🙄
So yes, fuck them. Oh and whilst we’re at it let’s also hand power to two parties that will keep us out of the EU because they are scared of their voter base. Good job 👍.
I’m not a student, but let me ask you this as a supposed predecessor, why didn’t you ensure younger generations didn’t have to worry about politicians lying without consequence?
Oh and don’t forget the Lib Dems are partially responsible for this mess. It may surprise you but I’m old enough to remember that. They’re an untrustworthy party and no one owes them a vote because some person on the Internet wants to whitewash their recent history and guilt trip us into supporting them.
Trust and good will for the Lib Dems was destroyed in 2010, when they jumped into a coalition government with the Tories for the tiniest sniff of power, despite their manifesto being closer to Labour’s on paper, backtracking on many of their policies and outright failing on others.
@ThePyroPython
Under FPTP, not in my area, however…
https://med-mastodon.com/@XraySonoCol/110876506587951106
Tactically speaking, you can vote for the party you want to win only if you are absolutely certain that a) the tories have such a strong majority there isn’t a chance of anyone else getting in; b) some other party has such a majority there isn’t a chance of the Tories getting in. Otherwise you vote for the non-Tory party (or party that will not ally with the Tories) that is most likely to make it in your area.
I still vote tactically because there have historically been some close results where I live, but I’m sick of voting for parties I don’t want to win. I decided to become a member of the political party that I felt I was in most in line with, despite the fact I rarely vote for them. Small gesture, I know.
@ThePyroPython My email has struck a chord and I’ve had a response today. My local Labour parliamentary candidate wants to chat with me. I’ll see what they have to say and report back.
It depends what’s more important. Labour currently assume that power for powers sake is an acceptable strategy and with their numbers, it currently will be enough. But will that last beyond a parliament? How badly do we need to be rid of the Conservative Party? I’d say it’s essential for progress. Those swathes of centre left MPs will fill the benches by the hundreds and Starmer will need to be pragmatic to pass any bills.
I just think the doubts of what Labour are for are entirely valid, but there’s also the pressing matter of destroying the people who have gleefully ruined this country. As a sports fan I say take ‘em to the fucking cleaners. As a Labour man I can see a pressing need to release some Labour policies instead of hounding the left out.
@snacks
I think it’s important for me as the OP to point out that telling Labour they’ve lost my vote is as important as my vote.
If there’s a lack of push-back from the left regarding Labour’s movement right, then they will assume this is what the voting public want.
I’m certain there are others that share at least some of my views on this.
A this late stage, the LibDems or Greens can’t make a push to win.
I also cc’d my local LibDems and Greens in the same email re: a coalition strategy.
Yeah I don’t see any point throwing a vote to a party that no longer has any of your interests at heart, if anything it just reinforces their decision if you do that
@uk_politics https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/what-next-for-british-left-labour-strikes-unions-keir-starmer-jeremy-corbyn/?utm_source=SEGMENT%20-%20Newsletter%3A%20oD%20weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Society%20is%20shifting%20leftwards%2C%20but…&_kx=95fkBW9xUhcEiUn_sEUVx1-FIxpReUd8Ie0w7IyDjZU%3D.YjCYwm
The Overton Window has shifted so far to the right, any “more progressive” party that has a chance of getting into power kinda has to play to the crowd. It’ll take time for it to shift back to a more “familiar” (centre) left.
Same. Their acceptance of current Tory actions like not revoking new oil and gas licenses and child benefit cap. Also watering down their own environmental policy. These things in our current situation are inexcusable.
They pander to Tory voters, bigots, and stay on the side of big business and the media.
The Greens have my vote.
