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So, wading in here with a gut reaction and no nuance, he’s charged with all these crimes because the platform he runs has them being organized between its users?

Who do we arrest if a crime is organized via phone call on T-Mobile’s network, or via mail?

Is it a case of cooperation, where Telegram is completely refusing to help, or is it just a case of “encryption bad, privacy bad” from the French government?

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Who do we arrest if a crime is organized via phone call on T-Mobile’s network

I guarantee you, T-Mobile does not hesitate to hand over any and all data they have to the government. And they don’t encrypt shit, as evidenced by their many many data breaches.

or via mail?

The postal service is from a different era, and has legal protections I wish online equivalents had. Logically they should. Realistically they probably never will.

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In Germany those leagacy protections have long been breached

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A service provider is not responsible for the content people publish on their service. But if they knowingly allow criminals to publish and refuse to cooperate with courts and police, they become responsible.

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But the level of cooperation required means they have to break eee to remain in the clear. Doing that means they lose almost all reason to exist in the first place. This is a no-win scenario.

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What e2ee ? Telegram group chats are not encrypted.

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Is it a case of cooperation, where Telegram is completely refusing to help, or is it just a case of “encryption bad, privacy bad” from the French government?

On the same disclaimer, I’m betting on the latter.

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Allegedly the former. By “allegedly”, I mean that Telegram is definitely uncooperative in moderation of illegal content, the alleged part is that that is the motivation behind the arrest. I also read somewhere that he was accused of tapping into Macron’s manager’s communications, but I can’t find the article and I don’t know how reliable that statement is.

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also read somewhere that he was accused of tapping into Macron’s manager’s communications, but I can’t find the article and I don’t know how reliable that statement is.

So in turn… your comment is just as unreliable.

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I don’t know anything about this but when USA calls someone a terrorist, it’s always about money or power in some form.

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In this case it was France, not the USA.

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You do agree that America bad though, right?

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Do you think those racist colonizers are any different from usa? Do you think they use the term “terrorism” fairly and objectively? Not at all.

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The lengths that the military surveillance state will go to in order to invade our invade our privacy. This has nothing to do with terrorism, fraud or child porn, this is 100% him not allowing back doors to his app.

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This has nothing to do with privacy either. First of all Telegram is not a private messenger. Secondly, this is a about public forums and groups called Channels. This has nothing to do with backdoors eithe. They are simply asking them to do moderation on chats they already have access too.

Telegram has full access to this data and knowingly ignores child pornography and other criminal activity. If Facebook did such a thing for years you’d be screaming right now.

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I haven’t seen CP on either platform. How are you sure there is CP in telegram? How do you know there isn’t on Facebook?

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I think we all know that it has definitely appeared on both platforms. I think it’s a case of “what did the company do about it?”

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So they’re saying this guy is a terrorist, drug trafficker, money launderer, pedo?

It sounds like a reasonable list of crimes with solid evidence. \s

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