The girls, aged 14 to 16, have come for settler training to learn how to occupy Palestinian land — breaking international law. “God promised us this land and told us if you don’t take it, bad people will try and take it and you will have a war,” says Emuna Billa, 19, one of the camp supervisors. “Why do we have a war in Gaza? Because we don’t take Gaza.”

Their guru is Daniella Weiss, a 79-year-old grandmother in a long skirt and patterned headscarf. Founder of the Nachala or Homeland movement, she has been setting up illegal settlements for 49 years and was recently put under international sanctions. “You will be the new emissaries,” she tells the 50 or so girls at the camp. “I call it redeeming, not settling and this is our duty.”

She unfurls a map of Israel and the Palestinian territories dotted with vivid pink house symbols to represent existing and proposed Jewish settlements. Not only are these all across the West Bank, but also in Gaza. Already 674 people have signed up for beachside plots there, she tells me, and “many more want to join”. When someone asks her about settling Lebanon she smiles and says, “Yes, there too”.

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When someone asks her about settling Lebanon she smiles and says, “Yes, there too”.

Great, more war crimes.

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As a Lebanese, I advise them that we are already destroying our country by ourselves!

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Israeli invader*

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Settler is more accurate, and is a subset of invader. America were invaders in Iraq, but didn’t invade to set up permanent settlements. Israel is invading Palestine in order to set up permanent settlements

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Coloniser?

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Coloniser is probably the best term, yeah

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That’s actually the word I wanted, but couldn’t remember!

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It’s not clear to me that the fundamental ideals of a liberal democracy are compatible with a state where one race or religion is held above all others; or with a state where some races or religions are considered less equal.

Arguably the US is still working on recognizing this idealism and didn’t fully reckon with it until the 1960s.

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Basically everyone is sticking their head in the sand re: Israel being an Ethnostate. Basically “sure, but they deserve it”. That had some credibility behind it 70 years ago. Today? Not so much.

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I’ve come to find out that in-spite of having many Israeli friends and some family members, I had no idea about what Israeli culture and society were really like. It is mind-boggling to me that the only Jewish people I see speaking against genocide seem to be a part of the diaspora. Every time I hear or see a Jewish person from/ in Israel speaking on this issue, its like “Well its necessary” is basically the argument. Like, I’m sure there must be voices in Israel to the contrary, but I can’t seem to find them.

Its as if Zionism has supplanted Judaism in Israel entirely and there is no distinction in current Israeli culture or media.

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There’s definitely people protesting in Israel and have been since the start. But it is indeed unclear on whether they’re protesting regarding their government’s actions in Gaza or just protesting against Netanyahu more generally (which they had also been doing prior to all this anyways).

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There are voices inside Israel opposing this, but it sounds like (i don’t have personal knowledge) all the moderates got co-opted. The opposition voices don’t get any media play, not in the US at least. Some Israeli press covers them, or used to at least.

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I honestly feel like if the national powers at the time had been actually serious about the Jewish people deserving a homeland after the horrors of the Holocaust, then Israel should have been created out of a portion of western Germany.

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That’s my position, 100%. That they didn’t is telling, imo.

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Make space in Europe for the JEWS?! When there’s plenty of land that has only brown people in it?!

The reasoning was that, I think.

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THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!

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Zionists would not have wanted that. Establishment of a Jewish state around Jerusalem is a core idea of Zionism and Jerusalem is not in West Germany.

The plan to realize this ideology is much older than the Holocaust.

It is not about having a safe place to stay, it’s about religion.

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If there was credibility for a Jewish ethnostate 70 years ago due to the Holocaust and global antisemitism, how do we get to say things are better now and take the country back. Especially with all the other ethnostates in the world.

Obviously there is a problem because the region had changed hands over the past 1-2000 years and had other ethnic groups when the country was established by the Allies. The idea of having taken the land from Germany instead of the area around l Jerusalem sounds like poetic justice, but ignores that they have a historic homeland. Anyone would want their historic homeland with their historic religious sites back over somewhere else.

It seems like Jews are treated as second class when it comes to that. Talk of giving Mt Rushmore back is because it was that tribes sacred religious site, and no one would be happy giving them another mountain in another state.

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And this isn’t even the first time we’ve realized this either. Look at Ireland, and how they only achieved peace when they enforced equality with their power sharing agreement. Heck, look at the entire EU. Instead of Germany and France invading each other every 30 years, they just said “fuck it”, and let their citizens live on both sides of the border. Trying to create ethnostates and encourage division never works.

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At this point the only serious solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict is the “one state solution”.

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For years we kept being told that Israel had “Western Values” as part of the pro-Zionist propaganda in the West.

And indeed they do: 19th Century Western Values.

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Why aren’t these terrorist training camps being bombed?

Israel is a terrorist state.

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Daniella Weiss, what a horrible person. She will probably never face justice for her crimes.

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