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FYI - the owner of this site, gamingonlinux, was a mod on the !linux_gaming@lemmy.ml community until they were caught abusing their moderator powers. Then they deleted their account and complained on mastodon that it’s stupid design that mod logs are public.

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That’s one of the things I love in lemmy. Moderation transparency.

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I’m boosting this and the screenshots too, but just thought I’d point out for quick scrollers that it does not seem as dramatic as this comment initially lets you believe.

I mean it’s awkward, but just seems more like your usual social awkwardness/incompetence than malicious behavior as such.

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I agree that the main interaction was mild, but if they were willing to go this far to try to hide this, then that shows how low the bar is for them to try to manipulate things to their favor and liking with the trust that was given them as a moderator.

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Look at the screenshots few comments down. That was a shitty mod. They can have those back at reddit.

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19 points

Do you have any sources for this?

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Deleted comment:

I called them out for not following their own community rules:

Please be nice to other members. Anyone not being nice will be banned. Keep it fun, respectful and just be awesome to each other.

and they deleted their account.

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What was wrong with them removing your comment? You were being annoying 🤷‍♂️

Their response seemed perfectly measured to someone being needlessly pedantic.

Edit: And also Shuts down? Did you miss the ‘down’? Was the title edited after the fact? What does the rest of that modlog say? The screenshot is cropped.

My perspective is you were being annoying, got downvoted/called out, feigned shock, got your comments removed, and now you’re on a bitter smear campaign.

This is the weakest accusation of mod abuse I’ve seen. Good grief.

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Thanks! Not quite as wild as I was expecting (kind of surprised this was enough to push them to delete their account)

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Not gonna lie he was right about the shuts thing. It’s not a common phrasing but totally legit and you did seem kinda dickish when you pointed it out.

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Yep, they had proof.

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19 points

lemmy.ml doing .ml-things

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12 points

What does this comment mean. No other communities have bad moderators?

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Oh they absolutely do, but ml has a reputation for being particularly poorly moderated

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You really should look it up since you’re on the site. Make your own mind up about if you want your account to be associated with people like that.

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16 points

Fuck that guy.

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8 points

I really dislike that guy. I was interested in his website but lost interest because of him. I already forgot why I started disliking him. But this just adds to that.

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4 points

All moderators should be assumed to be abusers. Acab

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17 points

Well yeah that’s why the mod log is public. It’s a feature not a bug

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Exafuckingly, no moderators should be offended by what I said, it’s a truism. Transparency is just the first step, there should not be “a” moderator, it is a collective duty that all must participate and that none of us can be trusted alone with.

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You seem very hurt about that one interaction you had with him months ago. If you’re gonna comment that under every gamingonlinux article you’ll have a lot to do.

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I’d rather have that than have moderators bringing their shitty reddit leftover mentalities and think they can throw tantrums anytime someone critiques their post title. I mean homie was a moderator, who quit the site entirely as his reaction to the same interaction you are criticizing homie here for his reaction after bringing up a relevant commentary about the individual from the post.

Edit: Plus!, how often does anyone on the internet ever actually follow up a real live relevant to the post anecdotal account AAAAAAND follow up with empirical evidence lol.

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It has nothing to do with “being hurt”. They showed the kind of scummy person they are.

They showed that if they were willing to go this far to try to hide this, then that shows how low the bar is for them to try to manipulate things to their favor and liking with the trust that was given them as a moderator.

I don’t like the idea of that kind of person reaping the benefits of their site being linked to on the platform they tried to manipulate.

I don’t like the idea of people not facing the consequences of these kinds of actions.

I think people should know who this person is, since they showed their true self and then tried to hide it.

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210 points

Microsoft gives the Wine team infectious mononucleosis. Got it.

But seriously, Microsoft is nobody’s friend and shouldn’t be trusted.

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In an organization as large as MS there have to be a few good guys. Just don’t let the corporate leadership hear about it.

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I know a lot of folk that work at MS or have worked there, they are all very good people. They are highly motivated professionals that are top in their field. MS is a rich company and they recruit the best they can. However those are not the people making any kind of decisions. And it’s a cut throat company, if the budget gets cut, you are out on your ass. At least in most of the world, where strong employee protection isn’t a thing.

Don’t get me wrong, MS has a lot of bad apples just like any other company. Useless managers who say dumb shit and take praise for other peoples work. A leadership that doesn’t care about anything except their bonuses and the bottom line. But at least as far as the engineers go, there’s plenty of really good folk.

People also seem to forget how huge MS actually is. And a lot of the time the different branches within the company are as far away from each other as can be. Even within the same branch one can only talk to so many people.

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From a Microsoft employee: with all the conspiracy theories people have about Microsoft secretly planning to control th world, the most surprising thing is them assuming MS are this organized to attemp it.

Edit: I’m not the employee, it was Scott Hanselman from MS who said it.

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I’m just speaking from their history. Like when they embraced Java, built their own JVM, shipped it with Windows, and then forked the Java language by adding Windows-specific APIs to Microsoft Java and not adding the Java 1.2 features to Microsoft Java. You can’t convince me their aim all along wasn’t specifically to kill Java, and cross-platform technologies like it. The whole “Windows tax” thing is another good example. And “Open Core.”

And, who knows. Maybe they’re either nicer now or less competent at that kind of evil. But if so, that’s a relatively new thing. Their history as a company is full of (not-so-)“secretly planning to control the world”. And they have never really faced any consequences for their anti-trust violations. And if they didn’t want people to hold grudges, maybe they should have thought of that before fucking everyone over as thoroughly as they possibly could.

I guess you could say Microsoft was perfecting the art of enshittification before it became such a pervasive thing. Plus, I largely blame Gates personally for the rise of the institution of proprietary software, which is also complete BS.

Mind you, I don’t blame you for working for Microsoft or anything. No ethical consumption (or employment) under capitalism and all that. And it’s not like I’m not doing evil things on a regular basis as an employee where I work.

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Lol noone is thinking they are taking over the world. There is no conspiracy. Everyone has been so fucking tired of the operating system monopoly theve had on PC’s before they started ruining every fucking piece of technology they touch.

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I am no Microsoft fanboy, but I get the impression people are a bit overly skeptical here.

I think this is fairly obvious. They have no further use for it, they can either let it rot or they can do the tiniest bit of effort and get some positive PR. It might also just be as simple as an initiative from some employees.

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Yup, what they needed from Xamarin was absorbed into .NET and now that have MAUI for cross platform stuff, it was either sunset mono or give it to someone else

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Now if only they would add Linux support to MAUI.

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Maybe they’ll add it to Mono.

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Agreed. I feel like it would make the most sense to just have a generic QT target, but that’s a licensing nightmare. Otherwise they’ll probably target GTK 4, which would still draw ire from some of the linux community lol

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Wasn’t it open source all the time? The article spins it more like microsoft don’t want to shepherd the project any more, another group takes over?

Isn’t it just less work for m$ or what am I missing?

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That’s my take too

Edit: Yup, Microsoft kindly abandoned their work to others.

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TIL that Mono is a Microsoft project. I always thought it was an open source reverse engineered .NET

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It was only a Microsoft project the moment they bought Xamarin.

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Wasn’t Ximian behind it at some point?

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It was at first, then they became a for profit organization, Xamarin, who was bought by Microsoft.

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I can’t help but think that Microsoft has decided to proceed in some way that will break compatibility, so they’re done with Mono now.

I know it’s skeptical, but I just have no faith in that company to act in good faith with anything.

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dotnet is now a multiplatform framework itself. Do they still need mono?

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Is mono not the .net framework version? .net core has always been multi platform, but is not compatible with .net framework apps. So any .net apps built against 3.5 or 4.x would still need to use mono.

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It is the .net framework version. I’m not sure mono is used in anything but Xamarin and a handful of gnome apps. Xamarin has a clear upgrade path to MAUI but not without some effort and the risk of missing nugets, I did it on a small app once. This isn’t super useful.

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As much as it is beloved, I don’t think windows sees Linux / wine as any kind of substantial threat.

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I think they do in the enterprise hosting / software dev world, which is the reason for so much effort being poured into WSL, but for standard client applications or the “average user” switching to Linux I agree

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Yeah, they want to be able to get people totally off Linux as a root OS.

By creating WSL, they now can say, "Oh, you like to develop for/on Linux? Well good news, Windows has Linux built in! Just come on over to Windows and you can use WSL and Linux on Azure for all your Linux needs!

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Very true because the relationship they have with laptop manufacturers will ensure windows domination

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proceed in some way that will break compatibility

That’s what new major versions are for.

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I can’t help but think that Microsoft has decided to proceed in some way that will break compatibility, so they’re done with Mono now.

It’s essentially right there in the article:

Microsoft maintains a modern fork of Mono runtime in the dotnet/runtime repo and has been progressively moving workloads to that fork. That work is now complete, and we recommend that active Mono users and maintainers of Mono-based app frameworks migrate to .NET which includes work from this fork.

We’re done with it, you guys can take the scraps. By the way, ours is better and folks should move to it.

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