Okay, all you who post on every post “you should just switch to Linux”. Here’s your chance. I’m someone who really does want to run Linux on the desktop. I run Linux servers at home, was a Unix sysadmin for years running Linux on the desktop in the '90s. But now I’m in sales and run Windows at work (actually very happily with some help from StartAllBack and Rufus).
I want to replace my Macs at home. Since they removed upgradable RAM and disk, I am no longer willing to pay the high tax for the few little things they do better. But there is some functionality I just cannot seem to find replacements for. This is where you folks who say “I should just switch to Linux” come in. Tell me how please:
Requirement 1) I have heavily invested in my local music library on iTunes. 1200 albums. I have little to no interest in streaming services. I want to organize my music with * ratings from 1-5 and from that have smart playlists that autopopulate and sort themselves by * ratings and genre. I have more than 40 of these types of playlists and it’s completely unworkable to populate them manually.
Requirement 2) I must be able to sync my music library in full to my phone. I use an iOS phone now, but I could even be convinced to switch to Android if there was a good solution. I am not willing to go in and select 100 different playlists manually to sync. It must completely replicate what’s on my desktop on my phone, 100% locally, including all the afformentioned smart playlists. I travel a lot for work and want my music always available even when there’s no network.
Requirement 3) My job really doesn’t require much more than Office and a browser, but it requires very heavy use of those things. Firefox is fine for the browser, so no trouble there, but I need full fledged Outlook, OneNote and most of the features of Excel at a minimum. Word I can take a bit of a hit on as long as I can save something that others can open. Ideally I would want to run the Windows version of these tools. I will not be able to live with only the browser versions, that I’m 100% sure of.
Requirement 4) I’d really like some sort of decent photo management tool. I can probably manage just by keeping them organized in folders and having google photos suck that in, but I don’t much trust Google, so would like to have a second tool that can also do a good job at replacing MacOS’ Photos app. AI image recognition and search a-la Google Photos would be the cherry on top.
Requirement 5) I need to be able to scan in batches from my Fujitsu ScanSnap scanner into Evernote. I use this on mobile, other OS’, etc. and have a lot of organization built into it now that I really don’t want to try to migrate from.
That’s it. 5 high level requirements that must be met. Is it possible?
Fair points. But I need 3TB minimum on my desktop machine. I have 2 NAS’ with 6TB and 3TB RAID arrays. Yes I can get by with 8gb of ram but I keep a ton of stuff open. It’s slow. 16gb is probably the right amount but with upgradable ram 8 can get 64 for $200 which is well worth it to me. None of this is possible within my budget on new Macs, whereas on any normal hardware platform it’s pretty affordable. You might want to go back and look at Mac ram and ssd prices and compare them to market prices to see how out of hand they’ve become. It’s like a 10x multiple in some cases. The one area I don’t need to go big is on CPU as nothing I do is compute heavy, which is of course the one area where Apple doesn’t charge an absurd premium.
I didn’t see your reply because it was top level lol.
Out of curiosity, what has you using 3tb of space that can’t be moved off to a nas with (hopefully) some redundancy? Usually when I see people with huge drives in their pcs it’s for games or huge datasets but you said cpu power wasn’t a concern and most of the big data havers I’ve experienced want that cpu (and like minimum 64gb of ram). Of course the meta there is to not do anything on your physical computer and host it all on aws or some such so you don’t have to buy a billion xeons and cuda devices.
What’s your budget for a replacement computer and when are you trying to upgrade?
I’m not trying to convince you that apples prices are comparable or that you should be happy to pay them, but instead that when considered over the lifespan of the device, the price premium isn’t much and will most likely make your life much easier.
I looked at the new imac prices and you’d be paying $600 extra for a 1tb ssd and 16gb of ram. That’s a lot of money for me, but if you make it six years in between replacing the device (that’s about normal in my experience) you’re talking eight bucks a month to not have to deal with all the stuff you listed in your op and anything else that comes up.
I’m not trying to fight you about it, just to offer the perspective of someone who uses linux a lot and has many computers with 32gb+ of memory and also uses macs and wouldn’t try to do what you’re suggesting.
The 3tb are mainly my music and photo library and the rest of my files. I actually have 2 NAS’. I could use them, but I like having things locally and to keep copies of the most important things in multiple places. So one NAS is mainly for backup of the other computers around the house. The other is for home automation and media server.
The disk is less of a problem than the RAM as I just keep it on an external drive. With the 2018 mac mini I have now, I just bought the lowest RAM and SSD possible and added an SSD RAID externally and then upgraded the RAM. I could concievably keep the RAID for the next computer. But even the base 128gb without any of my actual home folders on it is still to small (it’s criminal that they even sell this SKU as it would be entirely unusable for anyone in it’s base config). I could get by on 16gb of RAM (8 is really shit, I can’t do it), but I have to ask myself why I should when I can get more for so cheap.
More than anything I’m just tired of being screwed, and generally want to move to FOSS for everything at home. The FOSS stuff I do run at home like Plex and Homeassistant serve me so well, so reliably, over such a long time, that that’s just where I want to end up with everything so I’m not constantly having to fight being herded into paying for too-expensive cloud solutions or overpaying for basic computer hardware. I’m tired of having my software and hardware be unsupported and then replaced by solutions that are worse just so that they can attempt to extract new revenue streams from me. I want off the treadmill.
There’s a lot of people in this thread saying it’s possible, some saying it’s not and more than is really healthy saying there’s something wrong with you.
But the question I can’t help but ask is should you switch to Linux.
I don’t think so.
You’re trying to get away from the high price of Apple hardware, not out of a general unwillingness to pay for expensive things, but because the ram and storage in the computers are no longer upgradable.
To do so you’d have to find bespoke solutions based on new software and systems you might not be familiar with and which mill most likely face loss of maintainers and updates some time in the near future.
That’s not a dealbreaker really, but the general trend in laptops is moving away from replaceable memory. Sure at the moment you generally can still replace the disk, but for how long? Are you thinking that apples ahead of the curve on system on chip devices or that they’re making a misstep? Personally I think anyone your age or mine will have a hard time buying new computers that don’t have everything built into the board or processor before we shuffle off. I could be wrong though.
Let’s say it doesn’t matter though, just in dollars amortized over the life of the hardware, how much are you really saving by upgrading the memory and storage?
I tend to run five + year old macs and for the oldest ones, the 12 year old MacBooks, I got lots more life out of em by doubling the installed memory to 16gb and going from hdd to ssd. How much money was really saved though? Maybe ten bucks a month at the most.
Are you keeping em for fifteen years or cycling out every five or so?
Newer Macs which already have ssds don’t see near the stark performance change that we probably both wowed about when going from hdd to ssd.
You’re not really listing any software or operations in your post that would make upgrading the ram from the (maybe?) current 8gb minimum to anything more seem worthwhile.
It’s not that I don’t think a person could do what you want to do under Linux, just that it doesn’t seem like something you ought to pursue when weighed against the relatively low cost of just staying with the system you’re using considering the computers themselves will hold value better over time than anything you might swap out to.
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you could try Plex and PlexAmp. I believe you need to buy PlexPass but that can be a one time fee.
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if it hasn’t been mentioned then Immich is by far your best option here. I’ve tried most of the others and there isn’t much comparison in my opinion. Native mobile apps for iOS and Android are available. Browser for viewing from desktop.
Those 5 requirements are not small things, but as a (relatively) recent linux migrant, here’s my take.
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Keep using iTunes (but use the windows version) - through wine. You get to keep all your stuff as is for now with the possibility of migrating to another service in the future.
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See above, stick with your current device, keep using iTunes for now.
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If it’s for private stuff LibreOffice suite does just fine though + the thunderbird email client. If it’s for work you should probably have a work device, but there is also winapps for linux, which isn’t official by microsoft, so it might be a bit funky.
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Maybe try out proton if you want something trustworthy to back up your photos. They’ve recently added a service for that. Costs a subscription though.
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Keep using evernote. There’s a linux client.
Obviously there will be hickups, and things’d be a lot more smooth if you were willing to make some adjustments, but this is perfectly doable.
How does Requirement 3 work? You have macs, so you must be running the Windows versions in a VM? Obviously you could do that on Linux as well.
But, to be honest, Requirements 1 and 2 say to me that Apple have you heavily locked in, and I think you should recognize that.
I run office for Mac. It’s far inferior to the windows version but it gets the job done for the minority of time I work from home.
OK, but is it really a requirement to improve on what you have? That said, I find the O365 versions better than the native Mac versions, and I would run O365 rather than bother with a VM (plus the Windows license for the VM might outweigh the savings you get from switching from Mac to Linux, unless your employer will pay for it).
If my job weren’t so heavily focused on Outlook and doing things quickly and efficiently there, I wouldn’t be such a snob. I am just quicker on local software and use a lot of local things like many windows, drag and drop between windows, etc. Every time I tried o365 I ran into some sort of major blocker to my workflow pretty fast (like within hours). If workflow and throughput weren’t so important to my job, I wouldn’t mind, but it gets me in trouble at work if things don’t work smoothly. I can probably grab a cd key from my employer or an old laptop, so I don’t see this as much of a cost issue as it is to max out a mac with RAM and HD.
