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Projection is at the core of GOP

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Which makes me legitimately scared about what happens if/when they get control of the executive branch again.

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When, not if.

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Very much an if

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You got downvoted because it’s an uncomfortable statement, but you’re not wrong. Conservatives are very good at riling up voters, whereas democrats seem to present the most milquetoast candidates at every single opportunity.

The biggest opponent for conservatives is liberals; The biggest opponent for liberals consistently seems to be other liberals. Because liberals have repeatedly shown that even when they have full control of the legislative and executive branches, they’re still ineffective at passing meaningful legislation. Meanwhile, conservatives are really really good at presenting a unified front. They’re able to fall in line and vote on unpopular things without worrying about pissing off half of their voter base.

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This commentary is reminiscent of the radical right’s reactions to the Ruby Ridge incident of 1992, an 11-day standoff in Idaho between federal agents and the family of Randy Weaver, a Christian fundamentalist affiliated with the far-right white separatist movement. The standoff resulted in the deaths of Weaver’s wife, son, and a federal marshal.

Dude… Ruby Ridge was a big deal because the FBI shot Randy Weaver in the back while he was lifting the latch to his shed to see his son’s body, and then kept shooting at him as he and his family was running back to his cabin, hitting and killing his wife while she was holding their baby. It was a huge deal for a lot of people, Randy Weaver was found not guilty of any “siege-related charges” and awarded $3 million in damages, and the DOJ extensively revised their policies as a result.

Craig Deleeuw threatened to kill the president, and then according to the FBI and I see no reason to doubt them, was pointing his weapon at the FBI when they shot him. Whatever Randy Weaver did to create the Ruby Ridge confrontation, I don’t think it’s fair to compare the reaction to that to the reaction to this.

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The guy that said federal agents wouldn’t dare arrest him “because they’d get a .45 in the face”? He pointed a gun at the FBI?

Say it ain’t so

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Still, the Ruby Ridge and Waco comparisons are frightening. This is where the radical right really started to emerge. There was a great podcast series that I listened to about it. Here it is: Long Shadow (Apple) or Spotify link

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Orwell on Hitler:

It is a pathetic, dog-like face, the face of a man suffering under intolerable wrongs. In a rather more manly way it reproduces the expression of innumerable pictures of Christ crucified, and there is little doubt that that is how Hitler sees himself. The initial, personal cause of his grievance against the universe can only be guessed at; but at any rate the grievance is here. He is the martyr, the victim, Prometheus chained to the rock, the self-sacrificing hero who fights single-handed against impossible odds. If he were killing a mouse he would know how to make it seem like a dragon.

Like the cop who beats up his wife, then cries because she made him do it, and convinces himself he’s really the victim of the whole debacle.

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Craig DeLeeuw Robertson was an American retiree from Provo, Utah who allegedly threatened online to assassinate President of the United States Joe Biden and other government officials and was subsequently shot and killed by agents of the FBI on August 9, 2023 when they attempted to execute search and arrest warrants.

He allegedly referenced the president’s scheduled Thursday visit to Utah and threatened to dig out camouflage gear and a rifle.

In other posts, Robertson identifies himself as a “MAGA TRUMPER” and describes one of his rifles as a “DEMOCRAT ERADICATOR.”

The complaint included screenshots from Robertson’s profile where he threatened to shoot (New York County District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who is prosecuting a criminal case against former President Donald Trump) in a courthouse parking garage. But when FBI agents confronted Robertson, he said it was a dream, according to the complaint.

Days after FBI agents spoke with Robertson on March 19 and told him they were investigating his social media posts, Robertson started posting content addressed to the FBI itself. He often said he knew they were watching what he was posting, and that the agents who spoke to him came close to being shot.

Additional info from: https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/08/10/what-we-know-about-provo-man/

So they didn’t march in and assassinate him; they’ve been trying to get him to calm down since March and he still posts threats…

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I wish lmao

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And there is the dilemma… Do you allow a group of people who have casually committed or promoted genocides for hundreds of years continue to grow… or do you become what you hate and stop them?

To be clear, the so called target being discussed has been gleefully:

  • Lynching people of colour
  • Burning homes, churches, and killing entire towns of people of colour
  • Erasing the history and culture of indigenous peoples
  • Currently trying to erase the history of slavery
  • Promoting the extermination of the LGBTQ+
  • Taking away human rights
  • Actively pushing to limit voting to minorities
  • Removing or white washing science and history
  • Banning books with thoughts and ideals of other culture or identities
  • Acts of domestic terrorism

And more.

At what point do you stop protecting them as a justifiable group of people and treat them for what they are, white supremacist terrorists.

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Defeating fascism is the exact opposite of “becoming what you hate”

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