No more men’s and women’s league, no more “gender eligibility” requirements, a common dresscode, same standards and rules for all.

Edit: since it looks like people missing the word let: the suggestion isn’t to force desegregation. It’s to allow it or even make it the default. Someone else made a good suggestion: segregate by attributes specific to the sport. In boxing it’s weight class, in basketball it could be height, in biking it could even be doped and non doped. Sex and gender need not be the very first thing to segregate by.

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No.

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Yes

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Care to expand?

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It would make most sports incredibly boring to watch, as well as frustrating for many athletes. Boring sport means less money, which would also mean less teams overall.

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Why would it be boring?

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I have, in other comments and the description of the thread too. Anything specific you would like to know?

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Problem is that some sports are really unfair towards one of the sexes (and it’s not always men who have the advantage). I definitely think it should be mixed for sports where there’s no advantage.

Relevant recent YT short about archery: https://youtube.com/shorts/oCi_IawIFQA

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I don’t see that as a problem. For example boxing or weightlifting would probably have the top 10-100 being all men, but have more variety (trans, men, and women) below that. They could all compete together though.

You could still be the top man/woman/trans, but there would be a clear total ranking. For example one would see that the top female tennis player would rank 100th in the total ranking. It wouldn’t take away from her achievements and allow her to play against men at the same level.

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But it does kind of diminish the women’s sports.

Consider say, the 100 meter sprint. The winning women’s times at the Olympics were all so far behind the men that literally none of the winning times would have even qualified to be at the Olympics! (Mens min qualifying time is under 10 seconds, Alfred won gold at 10.72 seconds, Jefferson took bronze at 10.92.) At the other end of the scale, for the 10,000 meter race, the last placing male ran it in just over 29 minutes which was 5 seconds faster than the Olympic women’s record for the same distance and was a full minute and a half faster than the gold winning woman.

Similarly for a lot of team sports you’d be relegating teams with women on them to a much lower league because at the top of the table, raw physical strength plays a role.

Splitting up by sex means we can watch and appreciate the best women play their sport at the highest level and celebrate them. Or almost every Olympic sport would just be guy guy guy.

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Same dress code, standards and rules absolutely - regardless if competition is split or not.
Same competition definitely for some sports - chess and shooting come to mind.

More physical sports - I’m undecided there. I’d support everyone competing together if for example weight categories are introduced. You don’t want people of widely different physical build competing together, it’s not fun either to watch or play.

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That’s already how it works. 80kg boxers don’t compete against 100kg boxers, division 1 teams don’t compete against division 5 teams.

It just means that some teams will be mixed. We might even be surprised at how many teams will be mixed.

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I don’t want to see a 80kg male boxing against a 80kg female. I already know how that is going to end.

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No, you don’t. You haven’t seen it yet. Nor do you know how 100 or 1000 such matches would end.

It’s also fine if you don’t want to see it. No one is going to force you too.

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The latter, obviously. Actually, they should all play naked, for science.

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It was good enough for the ancient Greeks

Probably boost viewership a good bit

More environmentally friendly, no micro plastics from the synthetic fabrics

Avoids the inevitable arguments about which teams uniforms are too revealing or look stupid or whatever

One less expense for the smaller/less well-funded teams to worry about, and harder to argue that one team has an advantage because they have better equipment

Probably would scare away some of the prudish religious assholes, good riddance.

Sucks to be you if you play a winter sport though.

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No, men and women are not physically equal.

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Why does that matter? Men also have divisions and leagues. Team in the top leagues will destroy the leagues at the bottom.

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why does it matter?

Should we stop splitting sports by gender?

It’s inherently boring to watch sports competitions between unequally capable people, and there is a natural difference in that that can be clearly attributed to gender.

I admire your thought of equality but we need to talk about the differences in physique in genders as well if we wanna discuss this.

Don’t dismiss this claim, scientifically debunk it or share why not and how you come to this conclusion.

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No, it’s not attributed to gender. It is attributed to sex. Sorry to be pedantic but we live in a world where that distinction is very important for education purposes.

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Of course people are differently capable, that why we have divisions, leagues, weight classes, and so on, even in the same sex. Why would that change when they all compete together?

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Men and men aren’t physically equal. Maybe basketball should have a rule that everyone in the team has to be the same height. Can’t have anyone with a physical advantage over anyone else.

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What do you think would happen if the best NBA team played the best WNBA team? I think the men would win.

What do you think would happen if professional basketball was mixed? I’d imagine the teams would be 90% men.

Also, if track and field records are any indication, men are strong and faster. Separate divisions are more fair.

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I’m all for removing gender as the first dividing line, but there needs to be some divisions in place.

As an example, in martial sports they are often separated by weight class to balance the fact that a larger, heavier person would have an advantage over a smaller, lighter person.

Without that, basketball would be dominated by the tallest people only, but that means there is no reason for anyone who isn’t tall to even play the game. Break it into height classes and suddenly you meet have a league of skilled, average height players that could be very compelling to watch.

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Height classes for basketball actually sounds really cool. It’d be interesting to see the different strategies that come into play when people physically can’t reach the ring for example. Or at least I assume it would, I know nothing about basketball but it sounds like it’d be pretty interesting.

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As the shortest person in most Basketball games during my childhood, I would have loved this so much! I enjoyed the game very much, but I always had to work twice as hard as my taller friends.

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Height classes in basket ball. Hadn’t thought of that. I would suggest that it be optional though, so that people who don’t want to be excluded because of their height get to compete in the “common” league.

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