TL;DR: actions that society considers morally reprehensible and “corrupt” when carried out by public institutions, are seen as normal and acceptable when it comes to private institutions, so traditional comparisons of “corruption” between capitalism and socialism put socialism at a disadvantage by definition.

1- Let us imagine that I’m a business owner, and I decide to carry out some renovations in my building. I decide that, since I have a reliable friend who owns a renovations company, I will simply carry out the renovation with their company. We sign a contract, the renovation is carried out, the work gets done, the other company gets paid. Nothing out of the norm here.

Now let us imagine the case in which this first business, instead of being owned by me privately, is socialized and owned by the state: a public entity. Some renovations are necessary, so I, as a public administrator, decide to order the renovation to be carried out by a friend… except that’s corruption! I need to organize an auction and order impartially from a variety of firms, by lowest expense and by highest level of satisfaction! What is normal and approved in capitalism, is unthinkable and in most instances illegal under the principles of public ownership!

2- Another example: I’m a worker in a private company. One year, the CEO that is put in place by the stockholders, happens to be a former employer of mine, and because they know me and my performance, I get promoted. Meritocracy! Some people even call that “networking”, which is a necessary social skill in capitalism and highly regarded in wealthy circles.

Now let us imagine the case of a soviet workplace, in which I’m a worker with excellent performance. The union-approved party member in charge at this time, sees my performance and my contributions and involvement with the union and party, and decides to offer me a promotion. Oh, what a blatant case of dictatorial bureaucracies, in which only party members giving each other favours get to rise to the top! What an unfair and corrupt system!

Whenever we hear these claims of “corruption”, “bureaucracy” and such from socialism, please make it a point to compare these events with similar instances in capitalism, and how normalized and approved by the social majority they are. Why do we only expect transparency, efficiency and impartiality from public institutions, but normalize the opposite behaviours in capitalist enterprises?

good fucking post

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Great post

This kind of reminds me of the thing has talked about how certain words are only used for official enemies.

Like saying “hand picked successor” when all you mean is vice president.

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Public entities are tasked by the people to act in their best interest. If they don’t do that, and instead use the power entrusted to them for their personal gain, that’s corruption.

Business owners only represent themselves. They are free to hire anyone, because they do not have any power that has been entrusted to them by anyone else.

And its not like an administrator of public entities cannot hire a friend, they just have to convincingly make sure that that’s actually in the people’s best interest.

For your 4th paragraph: this can actually qualify as corruption. The CEO is tasked with acting in the shareholders’ best interest. If they hire friends even though someone else would be better suited, that’s corruption. (Of course in the case you described, the CEO would hire a former employee, so they could argue that knowing your performance, you are actually the best fit for the position in their eyes) I have to do regular sensitivity trainings for that kinda stuff at my company. If I encounter an acquaintance during a hiring process, I have to report this conflict of interest, so that someone else may examine my decision. If I don’t, I can get fired and taken to court. This is because, yes, corruption is also possible within a private company.

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But the contention here would be that the business owner has been entrusted with power — e.g. control of a factory and its workforce — ultimately by the state

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I guess you could say that by allowing a business owner to operate a business, a state implicitly grants power to that business owner.

Contrary to a public entity however, noone expects them to use this power in the interest of the people. Instead, the legal framework provided by the state explicitly allows businesses to act in their own interest.

This means that they can’t abuse anyone’s trust because no one expects them to act in their interest anyway.

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What an incredible way to miss the point of the post. The post about how in capitalist society, corrupt practices in private entities are not called out, and are even sometimes praised as “smart”

And here you are, going “well, nobody expects corporations not to be corrupt, so they don’t have to be called out for that, this is perfectly normal”

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by allowing a business owner to operate a business

There is no “allow”. The state’s protection is absolutely vital to the function of capitalism much in the same way that your skin is vital to your body.

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Unrelated… but… 🇵🇱?

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Not really. The name is inherited

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Public entities are tasked by the people to act in their best interest

Business owners only represent themselves

So, public entities are democratic with the objective of bettering a society, whereas businesses are completely egotistic projects conceived exclusively for the profit of a few. This is exactly why I’m a socialist.

For your 4th paragraph: this can actually qualify as corruption. The CEO is tasked with acting in the shareholders’ best interest

Ok, please tell me what CEOs are publicly known that have been convicted because of that. If it’s exclusively so “de jura” but not “de facto”, it’s useless to me. Regardless, in your example it’s just because it’s a delegation of power from the shareholders to the CEO. If it were the shareholders abusing nepotism, it wouldn’t be a case of corruption because they’re the owners. That’s never the case in the public sector.

Notice how the point of my post isn’t to avow corruption in the public sphere, but show how otherwise morally (or even legally) objectionable behaviour is completely normalized in capitalism.

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Not to mention not all companies are publicly traded

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The majority of companies aren’t publicly traded.

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Their corrupt state handouts

Our public-private partnerships

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GOOD post.

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