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I wonder if they understand what they’re encouraging by making the punishment for protests harsher than the punishments for direct action…not that that’s any of my business…

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Future excuses to crack down on “ecoterrorrists”?

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5 points

arson time :)))) (in minecraft)

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Huh, up to 10 years for disruptive protest? Looks like it’s only 8 years for a planned arson as long as you don’t hurt anyone.

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In minecraft, that might send the wrong message.

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Eh, I’m sure that my FBI guy and my Met guy have coffee together anyway.

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Pfft, you’ve only got two guys? Amateur.

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So, if you plan an arson as a protest, is that 8 years or 18 years?

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woah woah woah! I don’t see a protest around here!

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As long as you don’t slowly walk or away from the burning building, you should be fine. IANAL

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It’s not a protest, I just felt like burning down some Big Oil headquarters! Those are two totally different things, I promise!

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This is just one of countless examples that we live in capitalist plutocracies — ruled by corporations and the richest family dynasties who make up their majority shareholders — masquerading as “democracies”. Sure, you can vote, but your only options are pre-approved.

When the people causing genocide, war, and ecocide are untouchable, their entire rule of law is invalid.

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FPTP-voting was designed by wealthy romans for the benefit of wealthy romans millenia ago and that people accept this type of democracy today is just bonkers to me.

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Humanity is in mortal danger because of conservatism. If you aren’t fighting conservatism, you aren’t fighting climate change.

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To be fair, liberalism, while far better isn’t remotely close to being an adequate solution, but we all need to kick the can down the road by picking whatever least bad option is available to us.

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Well, that’s the funny bit: the government in the UK aren’t the Conservatives, they’re New Labour who are Neoliberals, by the standards of the rest of Europe they’re even Hard Neoliberals.

Nowadays the difference between Conservatives and Liberals is really just the subset of Morality that’s used in Identity Politics. They’re certainly not different on Economics, not on Quality Of Life for the many, not on a good Future for our Children (which provides a Selfishness-driven reason be an Environmentalist, which is better than nothing) and certainly not on Environmentalism as a Moral posture.

We get some loud confrontational bullshit from both around various “-isms” all the while they’re both doing what’s best for the most wealthy of society and screw the rest (both present and future) and definitely screw anybody or anything that has no money and no capability for action, such as Nature.

You see that exact same shit in the US, by they way, as well as (in not quite as extreme form) in most of Europe.

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Neolibs sell us out to big oil just as much as neocons do. The root problem is capitalism. You cannot fight against climate change without fighting against capitalism

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Neoliberals are conservatives. Sadly, we do not have a progressive party in the U.S., so we must choose one of the conservative parties.

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If you aren’t fighting conservatism you are actively destroying the planet.

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If you KILL these Big Oil people you’ll get the SAME Amount of Prison time!

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(If the FBI sees this I’m joking)

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