Helldivers 2 is getting a new “Chemical Agent” Stratagem next week, but you’ll literally have to pay or grind for it.

50 points

… so it’s exactly the same as every warbond?

Had me worried it would be exclusively $$. This is just a garbage article about something that’s been that way since the beginning.

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If the goal is bringing back players, it’s definitely not the approach I would have taken. If the goal is to just continue milking the existing user base, then it will have no effect.

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Bringing folks back is them making weapons suck less again. I am definitely going to log back in on the 17th to try all the weapon buffs, see if any of the ones I had high hopes for are fun now that they can actually kill things. If it’s fun again I’ll grind out some super credits and get the warbond just like always. If it’s not fun enough I’ll go back to other games. Same as always.

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I don’t fully agree with people’s idea of what the weapons should be to make it fun. Though I completely agree that your interest in the game is probably how a ton of people are with it now.

Helldivers is a more niche game than it was at first glance. The gameplay loop isn’t for everyone and specifically the gameplay loop is 10x better with 4 known friends in comms playing together.

I think the nerfs to weapons (flamethrower didn’t actually get nerfed, they just make flames actually work correctly and not penetrate literally everything so you can run around being master chief 1 man god army) actually made the game more like the intention: mid completion rate, success by the skin of your teeth, extraction extremely optional because the divers are just a part of the military industrial meat grinder so the loss of life doesn’t matter. That is what makes for all of the epic moments, not 1 manning level 9 bugs with flamethrower and a jetpack with relative ease.

The game just isn’t made to be as fun solo queueing sadly.

is also the natural progression of a PVE game. You have huge playtimes early on and it falls off hard after the first year when people get board. PvP games always retain players much much better (excl to big to die MMOs)

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it’s unfortunate that they are going down this route. stratagems are one of the main appeals of the game, missing out on primary, secondary, and throwable weapons due to not having a warbond isn’t nearly as disappointing IMO.

something i’d like to emphasise for people who think this is no big deal, because you can earn credits by playing: not everyone has the game amount of time to play as you might. those players don’t have a choice of grind for it or pay for it, for them it’s pay for it or lack the stratagem.

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As the game is, it’s not a necessary addition by any means. So no, it isn’t a big deal.

Though I don’t know the price of it, I know it doesn’t take too long to play your way to enough “Super Credits” to pay for the Warbonds. I can’t imagine it’s so much more expensive than that.

Also, people may not like to hear it, but only they have a responsability in what hobbies they themselves choose. If you don’t have the time to play a grindy live-service game, then don’t buy it. Yes, that choice lies with you and you alone.

Neither the Developers or anyone else, has any responsability as to how you choose to spend you time.

There’s a million cool hobbies out there, find one that fits your schedule.

Edit: The entire article reads as if it was written by someone that hasn’t played the game. They use the words “Warbond” and “Stratagem” interchangeably. And write as if the Warbonds didn’t cost ‘Super Credits’ before. You’ve never been able to pay for a warbond with anything else.

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it’s a major shift in how warbonds work, for that reason alone it’s a big deal. as far as responsibility goes, i’d invite you to find empathy for those who were suddenly impacted by this change. additionally i believe we should be advocates to make more experiences accessible to all people, regardless of financial constraints, time constraints, or other circumstances.

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As I said, the article is very poorly written. I’m unsure if they mean that there’s a Strat’ coming that’ll cost “SC” or if they are referring to the Warbond. Because Warbonds have always cost 1000SC. Zero change.

And no, it’s only your responsibility whether or not you engage with a specific game. There’s tons of great games out there, not every single one has to cater to your specific needs.

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Welp, as it turns out, it was just another Warbond. Not a Stratagem that cost Super Credits.

So same old, same old…

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Sounds to me like it will cost the same as any other warbond, 1000SC? Sooooo…it’s click bait?

As someone who is really stingy on spending my SC until something interesting comes along it’s fine. I saved enough do that when the last update came along I got the Fireproof Underwear because I just happen to use the flamethrower load out a lot, and I still have 1000+SC

It’s fair for them to offer new stuff this way, because people will spend money or they won’t, and either way it’s not too daunting of a cost.

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the difference is that, stratagems have been (until this point) been unlocked with requisition slips, not with the super credits. additionally, it might not be a daunting cost to you, but it might for others, always something to keep in mind!

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Yeah I get that, * do understand the struggle, but is it something you can’t achieve?

I mean, do you play the game to have fun or to get shiny objects?

I personally (again, my perspective and with loving thought of you in mind as well), haven’t unlocked all the stagems because I enjoy the lower levels with randos and only venture upwards with a good squad that’s gone through a couple missions already. There are those who take the game way to serious, and those who love to play dolly and dress up. Everyone is different and everyone enjoys the game for what it is: a broken, frustrating, amazing, repetitive, surprisingly entertaining time waster.

Keep that also in mind.

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16 points

“or grind for it”

So is it paywall locked or not

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It’s the same as the rest of the content, so no it’s not paywalled

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Then what a stupid fucking title

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If you can earn it in-game, it’s not locked behind a paywall. Bad headline is bad.

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The original set of strategems were so damn cheap even if they were in game currency.

Farming credits isn’t that hard and I’m surprised it wasn’t like this in the past.

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