Basically, wanted to know where people are at with mask wearing (as it relates to containing covid and all), I know it’s been a while since it started. And I’ve seen people who say covid can still be threatening, like through long covid and such, even if the initial impact doesn’t tend to be as bad. Being in the US, it’s especially hard to tell what makes sense because the gov sorta gave up on containment a while back and only ever half-assed pushing mask wearing. And wearing a mask alone was a controversial thing in some places, even in the very beginning. Then there’s vaccines, which of course help, but seems to be a thing like the flu where you have to get boosters to be fully covered for variant strains.
So in general, I’m wondering stuff like:
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Do you still wear a mask or not and why? And do you have distinctions like large crowds or anything like that?
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How does mask wearing compare by country, from what you know? For example, I’m sure China has a more pro-mask-wearing culture and policy overall, but I’m not clear on where they’re at this late into it.
Partly asking cause I want to re-assess my own position on it, see if it makes sense to change it at all by now. I’ve still been doing it, in part out of inertia, but the US management of it is such a mess, in gov and culture, it’s hard to tell when it makes sense to stop vs. just caving to peer pressure of people who were never acting responsibly to begin with.
Every time I want to forget COVID, my partner has another bi-weekly breathing crisis that’s been going on since her infection in 2022. My best friend has been out of work since she last got Covid in 2020.
People that give me shit about masking are the grossest boomer reactionaries that I know, and I revel that I piss those knobheads off. Granted my situation is maybe easier than most, I’m white, tall, old, and have professional credentials. I think it’s probably harder to fuck with me than a lot of other people.
Masks and respirators for prevention of respiratory infections: a state of the science review
You may find this useful as an in-depth look on the topic of masking. It’s pretty long, but I think worth the read.
I do still mask every time I leave my apartment. There’s essentially no reason not to in my opinion. It would obviously be much safer if everyone was still masking, but at least in my experience, diligent masking has been very effective at preventing illness in my household despite the lack of precaution from the public. People can be kind of weird about it sometimes, but it’s mostly limited to staring and the occasional rude statement, which as a trans woman is something I was used to before the pandemic anyways lol. I do worry sometimes about the chance of someone getting violent with me or my wife, but also if the alternative is giving up the mask and destroying our health, and maybe even killing her if we get unlucky, just to please ableist assholes, well, the choice is obvious to me.
I wish I knew more about the masking culture of other countries. All I can say with certainty is that in my community (A large city in the US), nobody gives a fuck about public health at all, and largely refuse to change their lifestyle in any way to help themselves, much less anyone else. Unmasked people outweigh masked people by an enormous amount, and the few maskers are often wearing surgical masks or other insufficient PPE, and I frequently see people still wearing them beneath their nose or taking them off in public. Many people I talk to are well aware that Covid is still around and is destroying everyone’s health, but they either seem to think it doesn’t affect them, or prefer to live in a lie and ignore it.
Will take a look at it in more depth at some point, good to have on hand.
There’s essentially no reason not to in my opinion. It would obviously be much safer if everyone was still masking, but at least in my experience, diligent masking has been very effective at preventing illness in my household despite the lack of precaution from the public.
This makes sense to me and I think is generally the sort of reasoning I’ve gone by in the past. Like a percentages thing. Even if you’re living in a household where not everybody is doing it, as I am, reducing the odds of bringing something home is still better than nothing.
This community might be of interest as they still talk about it a lot there: !covid@hexbear.net
I still wear a mask. I wouldn’t necessarily wear one or keep one on if I was walking around a lightly populated park or down the sidewalk but I would before going into a store or a crowd (even outdoors) or any enclosed space with people like a train or station.
I’m not sure how mask wearing compares by country. In most of Asia it seems like it’s been normalized for decades for people who are feeling ill or have certain conditions to wear the blue cloth medical masks so I doubt in most of Asia it’s a big deal in most situations compared to the west where you have anti-mask reactionary sentiment and ideology that favors individual recklessness rather than responsibility.
Bookmarking that to read more on later, thanks. And yeah, I’ve wondered about the difference there - like would people in those places in Asia where it’s normal even face any reaction at all for wearing a mask long past public mandates or would they just be viewed as socially responsible people. Part of why I’m curious about that, is because if I only go by what the US is doing as a general thing, it could lead to some very irresponsible decision-making. There’s a lot of science ignorance and the like here. And of course the individualism in the US that goes something like: “if the odds are low that it will inconvenience me, then why should I care if it might kill someone else?” Not that I think people are reasoning it out that consciously, but that’s sort of the implication of the lackadaisical attitude toward it.
I always wear a mask when sharing breath outside my household. That means everywhere inside. That means outsids if I’m near people. Even if it’s just one person – it only takes one oerson to spread disease. Covid is airborne and has killed and disabled millions. The vaccines lessen the chance of death in the acute phase but don’t prevent Long Covid and I’m not willing to get Long Covid.
Covid is a class issue. The capitalists got pissed that keeping people safe from covid was too expensive and disruptive to business as normal so they sent the working class into the meat grinder and have manufactured the myth that it’s over. All for their economy. Its not over and all the young people I see coming down with POTS, cognitive decline, and chronic fatigue are a testament to that fact.
Wear a respirator anytime you have to breathe in someone’s exhalations – kf94, kn95, n95, or better (kf99, kn100, p100). It should seal on your face, not have giant gaps. You can get body-safe double-sided tape called “mask tape” to affix a disposable respirator to your face. It’s a bit more upfront effort and cost but you can get a resuable elastomeric respirator – my P100 cost 30 to 40 dollars and the filters last for 3-4 months before they need replacing, at $15 per replacement set.
Never give in. Those who pressure you won’t take care of you if you become disabled from Covid. They won’t even care enough to spit on your grave if you die from it directly, or die from the disability and systemic oppression that is rained down upon those who cannot work. They won’t spit on your grave because that would require remembering and acknowledging what they did to you and they’d rather sleepwalk to their own joyful doom with no acknowledgement of the cost in human blood to disrupt their shared mass delusion.
Never give in. Those who pressure you won’t take care of you if you become disabled from Covid.
So much of my journey from being a liberal to a communist was figuring out that my middle-class (and middle-class aspirational) friends would drop me in an instant the second my life faced the tiniest of difficulties.
It’s pure fantasy to imagine that any of my old family or friends, short of possibly two people, would give a fuck about me as a disabled person.
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I do whenever I can, in my work I can’t, because it’s socially so frowned upon here. I try to work alone/remote as much as I can becaude of this and bought and aur purifier for my office, I have high risk loved ones, have longcovid and so does people closest to me. I’d rather mask everywhere, did not miss the smells of other peoples sweat at all.
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In my country (Finland) masking was negatively framed from day one. Also it was strongly hinted that they don’t work, there’s nothing we can do and the frail will fall regardless.
There have been no masks used here for most of the time I masked everywhere, the mask wearing only happened for the delta wave, but when the vaccinations began, they disappeared. “Expert” opinion has been very anti-mask and covid has been “just a cold” that only kills old people all along.
This whole thing has been my single biggest eye-opener to the fucked up fascist values I have actually grown up surrounded by. It has also made me understand that covid and covid protection is 100% a working class issue and a matter of class consciousness. It’s the workers like me who don’t get protected that die from it or get longcovid. Also lots of eugenist brainworms in my country.
This is a country where unironically one popular saying is “there’s still room behind the sauna” and this is supposedly a joke about how the undesirables used to be shot behind a sauna in our fash past and gets thrown around whenever someone for example does something dumb. We are the baddies actually and covid made me see this in its entirety, because the society I live in is behaving like monsters without even realizing it.
