55 points

People use steam because it’s good service, and a good product.

In fact, they also gave Linux a boost

They also have things like cloud saving

Developers use them because apparently they have some awesome features too for things like multiplayer and such and a great API

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6 points

I like steam as a user but it’s still proprietary software and I’m slightly concerned about what is going to happen when Gabe Newell steps down as president and ceo of Valve.

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44 points

This has literally always been the case with Steam, the only difference is that people are told up front now. Things will likely continue to operate exactly the same as it has until now, I doubt Valve wants to disrupt the giant money train they have.

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I would be surprised if it even was possible for them to change so that the games are bought. I suspect that would be quite complicated legally.

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It’s literally in the title that GOG does exactly that. Why would Steam’s hands be legally tied if GOG’s aren’t?

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11 points

No, that isn’t what GOG is doing.

GOG is still only licencing games to you. They do offer you the opportunity to download an offline installer though.

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I like GOG, but this is just weasel-words to take advantage of the ignorance of the public. Whether you receive the installs directly or not, you still don’t own your games, you are just licensing them, same as Steam.

This doesn’t tip the scales into the “this is wrong” territory for me, but I do think this kind of word manipulation exploiting an unknowledgeable public is a little bit slimy.

edit: I had a bit of knee-jerk reaction to the sensationalism of the headline; what GOG actually says is fine and doesn’t imply anything beyond licensing in my eyes.

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I think it is fair. When you buy games through GOG, you get the offline installer. Nobody can take that away from you.

When you buy games through Steam, you can only install them via the Steam client. If the Steam servers are offline, you cannot install your games. In theory, some games are without any DRM, and you can just zip them up, but even then that doesn’t always work, and you shouldn’t have to. That’s not to take away from Steam, of course, it is great at what it does.

Providing an offline installer that works no matter what is as good as “owning” the game IMO, even if “technically” you are just purchasing a license to use the game.

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edit: I went and read what GOG itself actually says. The headline is slimy, GOG’s disclosure is fine. I don’t think they’re implying anything beyond what they offer.

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The headline is slimy

Are you referring to the use of the word “killshot”? Otherwise, the headline says exactly the same thing.

Its offline installers ‘cannot be taken away from you’

No implication of outright ownership, just that they can’t take away the offline installers. I mean, I guess it doesn’t outright say “that you’ve already downloaded,” but given the length, I’d say that’s a passable omission.

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23 points

I just like calling it “the kill shot”, as though GOG is about to take all of Steam’s market share some time next week.

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3 points

please let this be true it would be really funny

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I don’t think “weasel words” is the right term here.

You own the GOG games like you own a book you bought, and like you don’t own a DRM-crippled book, even though you might be entitled to read it under certain circumstances. The difference between downloading an installer and downloading a game on Steam is, the installer will continue to work even if GOG folds or decides they don’t like you anymore. But if Steam blocks your account, all the games you bought are gone, and Steam is fully in the right to do so since you don’t own their games.

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That’s not true. You still only receive a license to play the game, you do not own it. Directly from GOG’s website:

We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a ‘license’) to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this license in some situations, which are explained later on.

Practically this means you cannot resell your GOG installer in the way you could resell a physical book.

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6 points

That’s fair I guess. But you can keep a backup of your GoG games in case the server goes down. With Steam that isn’t possible.

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5 points

I think OP is saying that, while you can buy a book to read it, you do not own the copyright to that book. They’re saying it’s basically the same idea with GOG.

The illustration does break down, but I think their point still stands.

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I don’t think “weasel words” is the right term here.

I agree with you. GOG’s wording is fine, I was hasty in my reaction.

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32 points

Here’s another reminder to sign this initiative if you live in the EU.

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4 points

I’d totally sign…if the Russian funded tory party hadn’t decided we should leave because they were scared of the far right taking votes.

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2 points

Spread the word, then.

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42 points

The amount of people thinking they are getting ripped off by steam now is astounding.

They are the reason this step is incredibly necessary.

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I mean I’ve always had an issue that digital goods could always be revoked/taken back. That’s why I didn’t buy things on steam until it became basically the only way (as consoles have less physical media). This is just a great reminder for the public that we’re consistently loosing control over our digital lives.

I’ve been an advocate for forcing companies to change the wording for digital goofs to “lease” rather than “buy”. Cause at the end of the day, no one owns their steam library.

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I mean, we are… Gabe became a billionaire that owns a yacht collection, his money came from somewhere, there’s no reason to defend any billionaires or their companies unless you are a billionaire yourself.

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19 points

Gabe heads a company which is successful because it respects its employees, customers, and suppliers instead of constantly trying to marginalize and abuse them. They are not perfect by any means, but they do fit into the definition of ethical capitalism, which should not be understated. They don’t employ anticompetitive tactics like bribing/coercing developers into exclusivity contracts. They don’t operate with a bunch of 1099 contractors so they can avoid providing benefits. Etc.

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And they could do all of these good things while charging less than 30% and Gabe would be the only one feeling a negative impact on his finances.

As for contractors, they do hire them, court documents came out and their profits per actually employees are way higher than most companies, why? Contractors aren’t employees.

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