cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125
Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT
I wonder how much it hurts to shoot yourself in the foot.
I wonder what lies they will tell themselves about how it’s not their fault when Trump decides to support Israel twice as hard as Kamala has.
If they don’t vote for anyone then I understand and sympathize. If they vote for ultra-genocide to spite Democrats then they get what they asked for.
You’re seeing it from the outside so you won’t understand them. They don’t have the need to lie when things worsen. Even They’ve already expected things will be worst under Trump. Just to aid you to understand their mindset: Suffering 100x more by your enemy is much more endurable than the bitterness of being betrayed by your own kind.
“We are in a moment where our community is suffering and hurting in more ways than we can count. We have also seen four years under a Trump presidency and what that did to our community, and the risks that come with that,” said a spokesperson for Arab Americans for Harris-Walz. “We’re not saying that with a Harris administration there is no risk, but under a Trump administration, the risk is much higher. We believe [backing Harris] is a more favorable path forward for us here in the United States and in our home countries.”
It’s not too late, Kamala can pivot to the left and pledge to obey the Lehey law.
If she does, then Israel either changes their behavior or they stop getting any military aid/arms from America.
That’s all that needs done, Kamala to pledge to follow the law.
It’s not a big ask from voters, and it would hand her the votes she needs in the states she needs to win the election.
The problem is that Kamala (along with every politician in the U.S.) has to weigh the how much support they will lose if they support ceasing armaments to Israel with how much they will gain by doing so. I’m betting the polling data shows fairly conclusively that they’d stand to lose more voter support by ceasing arms shipments to Israel than they’d gain. At the very least, I’m betting that’s the fear of a lot of Democrats.
So you think trump giving aid to Russia against US law would be ok if it gets him votes?
This is the exact reason turnout is low.
Lots of voters won’t hold their nose to blatant crimes even if the only other option does more crimes…
I didn’t say I approved of it, I just said that’s the political calculus.
I would like everyone to note that Peter Link, who posts endless articles, has a very obvious agenda, but almost never comments.
Posting article after article but never engaging is bad faith participation in Lemmy.
Over 500 posts and barely a dozen comments.
And yeah their posts clearly have an agenda. A lot of “both sides bad don’t vote” kind of stuff.
“both sides bad” has won almost every US election, according to this chart.
It’s literally the most popular position when you consider voter turnout and % of votes for each main party.
You’re confusing not voting and not liking both parties. A lot of people don’t vote because they don’t give a shit. Or simply can’t.
I haven’t voted most of my life because I’m disabled and can’t make it to polling booths.
In Switzerland we have a dozen major parties and turnout is around 30%. Our open list system allows for extensive “customisation of votes” and lets you choose from hundreds of candidates. People just don’t vote because they can’t be bothered or are busy aren’t really motivated etc.
Sorry if you think that my posting reflects “bad faith”. I have responded to comments a few times, but generally I’m trying to get useful articles out to the Fediverse. (I also post a lot in Mastodon.)
I did write one long comment on voting for Harris, where I stated that it is a difficult decision for me, because each day I get angrier at the Biden/Harris blank check for Bibi. At the same time, I clearly don’t want Trump.
I am sure Trump will do a bang up job as he drives a tank around GAZA just for kicks.
They’d cut off their nose to spite their face?
