92 points

it’s close because racism, jeebus, and guns. it seems like it should be more than that, but it isn’t. broke uneducated GOP voters literally don’t care about anything except for some combination of the above 3 things, because that’s what the 1% propaganda machine told them to do

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36 points

the gayz in there too 🥴

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33 points

Gay panic is passe, it’s trans panic now.

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9 points

Gay trans furry fascist communist Muslim atheists. Somehow the paradoxical bogeyman keeps folding in new and contradictory traits.

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27 points

And the Dems will have very little affect (if any) on anyone’s jebus or guns. So it’s really just the racism that’s the distinguishing factor.

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Dems will have very little affect (if any) on anyone’s jebus or guns

and yet the bleating of “they’re trying to take yer gunnnnnnns” and “war on christmas/christianity” never ever fucking stops

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It’s insane.

And it’s far more likely that if the GOP had total control, they’d institute a national religion (good luck having your flavor picked for that one) and that they’d take away all the guns to protect their power (since there is clearly nothing they’d avoid doing if it meant getting/keeping power).

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The guns thing. There is a rather large swath of rural, liberal gun owners. If you’ve ever lived in a locale that lacks enough ambient light for you to see your hand in front of your face at night, you get it. If you live in a place where you can hear a car approaching from more than a mile away you get it.

Let my handgun have a normal clip (average 9mm is 15 bullets) and we’re probably golden. And yet. DEMs lose moderate libs on this single issue.

Yes, I own a handgun. Off the shelf with no mods it holds 18 per clip standard and comes with 2 clips.

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i live in the mountains in a town of ~3000. i can drive 30 miles without seeing a traffic light. and i also have a gun

i’m still voting D, because i see that as a boneheaded thing to acquiesce to trump over. though to be fair, there IS NO valid defensible reason to vote for that incompetent pluted bloatocrat rapist coward

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I have several. Not once have I actually felt like someone was coming to take them. Beto shot himself in the foot saying he would, especially in Texas.

I like common sense gun laws. I took classes for my concealed carry. I can pass a test about the care and feeding of firearms any day of the week. No one except me has access to my guns.

Of course I’m voting blue. They ain’t coming for my guns. And even if they were I’d still vote against Trump and fight them on it.

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Ofc not, and yet this is a single issue that motivates people.

He is a rapist. A coward. A traitor. A cluster B personality disorder. And now he’s fraying around the edges from old age. The stress can’t be helping his decline.

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It makes a lot of sense for very rural living: you need a defense against the wild, and possibly hunting for food. I fully support that.

The general desire among Democrats is stricter regulation, which is a very reasonable thing. People should be required to prove that they can be a responsible gun owner and are mentally fit to own one. I shouldn’t be able to pick one up from the sporting goods store like it’s a bag of potato chips. It is an incredibly powerful tool and can easily kill others. It should be treated as such.

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I generally hear them water down the gun control, like a handgun with a stock number of bullets is generally ok. Or a rifle or shot gun. Unless you have some red flags, which you probably don’t have. Even in some of the stricter nations of gun control, there’s frequently some path for rural folks to at least have long guns.

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Let’s not forget the group that’s voting 3rd party due to the situation in Israel. Does it make sense to do, no, but they will do it.

I’ve tried to discuss it in the ML communities but as soon as you start proving your points with solid facts they just delete everything you said, censored and banned, a bit ironic.

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76 points

Every time some ridiculous shit like this happens, I remember when Howard Dean yelled a little too loud and that invalidated his entire political career.

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Even worse, apparently we only got the audio from his mic and it was an appropriately loud EEEEAAAAGH given the audience volume

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4 points

He went on to run the DNC on the platform of healthcare reform and was instrumental in getting Obama elected with a supermajority trifecta. And then he was fired and Lieberman got to kill the public option.

He offered too much to maintain cultural hegemony.

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4 points

Been thinking this thought a lot lately. IIRC he was a decent man and likely would have been a decent president - but god forbid he get a little excited at a rally. Meanwhile, Trump has proven that literally nothing he could do or has done would change the mind of his voters. He could start and end every speech with a Howard Dean scream, and no one would even bat an eye.

 

(And I seem to also recall hearing that the isolated microphone of his scream that we’ve all heard a hundred times did not reflect how it even sounded at the event.)

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Most conservatives believe state education isn’t anything more than brainwashing against conservative ideas.

They’re 100% correct. Education tends to make one confront reality and live in the real world, a very un-conservative concept.

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they have to start from kindergarten onward, because it doesn’t take much education to make people realize that “because tradition” is just about the dumbest reason to do anything. and if that’s the only reason you’re doing something, then maybe it’s time to grow the fuck up and move on

but no, they’ve turned words like “progress” and “change” into pejoratives. same as “expert,” “science,” and “facts/fact-checking”

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6 points

to be fair: reality does have a liberal bias. lol

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4 points

Compulsory indoctrination is a dumb tradition.

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14 points

“Go to college and get a good education!”

goes to college, gets educated in class and from people from all over who aren’t like me. Realize different people have different needs

“College is a liberal brain wash machine!”

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4 points

Sucks for them that reality has a liberal bias.

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-1 points

You talking about the place where people pledge their allegiance to a flag every day?

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this race…

this race?

The past three Republican presidents saw a job growth of 1 million, the past three Democratic presidents 51 million. Now sure, the president doesn’t define every aspect of the economy, but my god that big a discrepancy is not accidental. As someone not from America, I don’t understand why this race is so close, but why any race involving the Republicans, even outside of Trump, would be. I’ll consider Romney an exception though, but he doesn’t seem representative of the Republican Party before or after him.

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nearly all republicans rig elections to their favor and make decent education an expensive luxury to help maintain their control over poorly educated & informed voting masses and democrats let them since it makes their job easier and they know that there’s no viable alternative.

the icing on this shit cake is that most democrat voters will shame you if you don’t participate and blame you if you can’t because of voter suppression.

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the icing on this shit cake is that most democrat voters will shame you if you don’t participate

Drag is very surprised you find this odd. Democrat voters want you to fight back against Republican voter suppression. They think keeling over and giving up is a bad idea. The icing on the shit cake is that centrists who would rather have a D than an R choose to cooperate with Republican tactics.

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i don’t find it surprising at all and many aren’t participating because the don’t want either gentler diet genocide from kamala nor full fat genocide from trump.

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Because the democrats are doing everything they can to lose. They don’t message well, and they keep running to the right.

Most Americans want leftist policies, but the Democrats refuse to capitalize on that. Kamala is toting a right wing immigration bill thinking it’s going to help her.

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It’s entirely the EC.

Biden won by ten million votes, and it was still a clencher because some idjit in kansas thinks the candidates sucking Pennsylvania’s fracking drill all election keeps their interests represented.

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We need to stop letting land vote.

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If it was 70-30, like it should be, the electoral college wouldn’t be relevant.

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You’d think so, but the EC is able to override a majority of even over 80% if the other candidate picks up half plus 1 victories in small states.

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