My (unpopular?) solution is to make sure the rest of society isn’t so desperate for food that they’re willing to rob a robot.

In an unrelated suggestion, if youre in a grocery store and see someone stealing food, no you didn’t.

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Preach. Harsh penalties with no rehabilitation and an uncaring system with no safety net?

If you can’t get a job and can’t eat without a job, who wouldn’t do crime?

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And in so doing, they have a criminal record that makes it harder to get jobs, leading to a vicious cycle where they’re not employed due to a criminal record/recent imprisonment, and are forced to steal to survive, leading to another criminal record, etc.

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No, most crime is due to a personal failure. Play stupid games - win stupid prizes.

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“Jimmy’s biggest personal failure was not being able to take advantage of generational wealth. His second biggest personal failure was choosing to steal food for himself, his wife, and kids, instead of choosing to die and let his family risk dying from starvation. His third biggest personal failure was having kids in the first place.”

Idk, it has a bit of a hollow ring to it. What do you think?

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As someone who works in a grocery store, most of the people I see stealing are stealing stuff like makeup or drinks and junk food, not necessities. And our regular thieves spend hundreds on cigarettes a week, while still stealing whatever they want because they know they’ll get away with it.

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Yeah, the cigarettes thing is a literal drug issue. The only thing that’s different between that a fentanyl is the smokes are not criminalized.

We can’t expect our thieves and impoverished to be exactly rational and raid the staples, especially as we’ve engineered junk food to appeal to impulsivity.

As for makeup I don’t have an easy explanation, though makeup is expensive and currently we do expect people to wear it rather than get accustomed to what folks look like without it. I was going to guess it’s fungible, but less so than brand-name laundry detergent. Tide is currency in the underground market.

But yes, while for young people there might be a thrill in the act of stealing over buying, ultimately, when we have the capacity to fulfill our needs without careful budgeting and compromise, we’re glad to do things transactionally. Professional thieves struggle to make rent.

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They should sue the families for lost robot productivity too

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Later, Uber would be sued for not actually providing the tombstones and for over-charging for them when they were provided.

They would counter that they had contracted a third party, X, to provide the tombstones, on behalf of the deceased, and had merely paid the invoices on the deceaseds’ behalfs, and that X, not Uber, would be liable for any failure to provide said tombstones or to have over-billed for them.

Years later, Uber would “lose” the case and would be ordered to send $3.50 to anyone who had sent them payments for tombstones between the years of 2024 and 2026, and $43.8 million to the attorneys on the case. They would also be required to set up a free tombstone check account for anyone who requested one in lieu of that payment, but they would only give 30 days to claim the account and would send it with a spammy sounding title like “Claim your free account now!” ensuring that only 4% of the eligible people actually managed to claim one.

Overall Uber will have made $418 million profit from their burial and tombstone billing service.

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If I still work in retail I would require far more money to notice things. Since my wage wasn’t tied to company profits what do I care.

Although I do remember a time that somebody stole all the skittles. We got yelled at about that one.

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I don’t think that’s at all unpopular, don’t a lot of beauty pageant women say how they want to end world hunger or poverty

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Fix poverty and you fix a huge amount of other things.

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Ok sure, but have we considered arming the robots with assault rifles instead?

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The article mentioned tear gas canisters be equipped instead. I can’t wait for a delivery robot to be near my property, someone tries to mess with it and gets gassed, then I get to enjoy tear gas as well from my front porch.

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Or some kid walks past it, bumps it slightly and gets gassed in the face.

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Tear gas infused hamburger, mmmmm. Cough cough.

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Mmmm tear gassy food delivery

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Arming autonomous robots, what could possibly go wrong?

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Surely area of effect weaponry would be better.

The higher collateral impact just serves as an extra lesson to any wannabe thieves.

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I’d go with thermonuclear warheads

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If we’re all not living in survival mode, why would people work? /s

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Making people self sustainable is a good way to fix poverty but the state actively works against that.

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How’s that related? A criminal is a criminal, their wealth is irrelevant.

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Because fixing poverty lowers criminality.

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Ahaha! Right, sure!

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Lick as much as you wish, I won’t judge.

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Everyday we are one step closer to the plot of Demolition Man. I cannot wait to taste some boosted Taco Bell.

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They’re bidet controls. One would be for front wash, another for rear wash, and the third one for air dry. There may be temperature controls hidden somewhere nearby, or more likely the system recognizes the user and automatically uses those temperature settings, and the seashells are just gussied up push buttons.

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This is the most plausible and simultaneously worst possible answer to that bit.

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What a pathetic bunch of people trying to maintain the slave status quo in these comments. WHY are you fighting to maintain a world where people have to work low tier bull shit jobs to survive? The answer, you morons, is to let the robots be and improve society to the point technology said it would. We re the most productive we’ve ever been in our entire history yet work more than any other time in history. We need work reform, not a robot genocide.

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In an ideal world these robots would shift to there not being a need for “unskilled labor” and we would all have more leisure time. In the late stage capitalistic hellhole we are forced to live in, huge organization replace minimum wage jobs with robots and hoard profits and push people further unto poverty, while still overworking and underpaying the few people they do still employ.

If we had a ubi, then robots and self checkouts taking minimum wage jobs wouldn’t be an issue because the person who’s job was taken isn’t just displaced and faces homelessness or death.

So I sympathize with the people who are complaining about the robots. As much as I want a scifi future with a bunch of automation, I want exploitation of the lower class to end first.

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Which is literally what my comment says, it’s a work reform problem not a robot problem. This is literally exhausting your anger and energy on the wrong thing. Do you really think destroying some robots will change society?

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Destroying robots won’t change society, but it can give you free shit.

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The unemployment rates in the USA and Canada are both far below norms. These robots aren’t taking anyone’s irreplaceable job. Of all the things they are (ugly, intrusive, annoying), one of the things they’re not doing is driving up unemployment. At worst, someone has to change jobs.

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It hurts no one? Besides the company that has to replace those items and the person who paid to order them durrrrrrrrrrr.

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let the robots be and improve society to the point technology said it would. We re the most productive we’ve ever been in our entire history yet work more than any other time in history. We need work reform, not a robot genocide.

I am in agreement with you, but the problem is the work reform part is not forthcoming. The delivery robots didn’t come with a helping of any kind of labor reform, whatsoever, and will not come with one either without some kind of violence to usher in the deal. The capitalist class would not allow it to happen any other way.

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If you truly believe that it still makes 0 sense to use the violence against the robots who have 0 idea why they’re being attacked and even when destroyed change nothing(because destroying these won’t stop companies from making better more lethal versions).

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When I said violence I don’t mean against the robots (which you can damage but not commit violence against). It’s just a computer on wheels. I meant that labor reform will involve violence between people in the labor class and the capital class. Our American history is full of examples of exactly this kind of thing happening between a protest labor movement and its countervailing force.

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Is lemmy like the unofficial gathering place for commies? I see more commie garbage on here than reddit, which is saying something.

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Where is the “commie garbage”?

People here are making valid complaints about the state of society.

Most people know that communism isn’t the answer.

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Del Spooner would like a word with you.

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yet work more than any other time in history

1903 would like a word.

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yet work more than any other time in history.

My impression is that we’re the most leisurely, per capita, than we’ve ever been. The average workweek now is 34 hours, down from 60-70 in the 1850s.

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I would disagree about your average because it’s brought down by people working multiple jobs that won’t generally staff them past those 30ish hours or what ever the magic number is to be just under the required time to be eligible for a benefits package. It’s a widely known problem in the work force.

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/what-are-full-time-hours

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I would disagree about your average because it’s brought down by people working multiple jobs

No, as these are the numbers reported by worker’s themselves (Robert Whaples’s research) and not by their disparate employers. But looking at it as you suggested, it comes out to 34.3 hours.

Here are two more views on it:

https://ourworldindata.org/working-more-than-ever (world trends)

https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/january-2007/working-hard-or-hardly-working-the-evolution-of-leisure-in-the-united-states [dated]

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Low income white neighborhoods have lower crime rates than black middle/high income neighborhoods. There is no more blind person that the one who doesnt want to see.

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“The robots are constantly monitored and equipped with 12 cameras and two-way audio communication systems. Any improper conduct will be detected immediately. If an incident does occur with a Starship robot, one of our robot rescuers can respond quickly,” robot builder Starship Technologies says regarding robot safety, adding that acts of vandalism or theft are reported to authorities.

While that may be true in theory, instances of actual prosecution for theft from robots in cities where they operate have not been easy to discover. As with far more widespread instances of front porch package thieves or shoplifters, despite the volume of video evidence the robots can produce the police have to actually take some investigative steps to identify and locate the suspects

I’m glad they’ve thought this through.

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the police have to actually take some investigative steps to identify and locate the suspects

cops give zero fucks when crimes effect everyday citizens.

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Do you have holiday citizens in your country?

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Sure do. Rich business owners.

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How dare they expect cops to “take some investigative steps?” We’ll arrest the criminals when you bring them in for us, along with evidence.

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