The original french post that motivated hexbear’s decision : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685
There is already various posts here giving us reasons to defederate them, one of them calling to violence against french :
On jlai.lu :
Dessalines, one of Lemmy main developper is taking part :
Some of hexbear supporter denying being part of an attack without any apologies :
Should we support Lemmy or migrate to another software as Mbin, piefed, sublinks ? Time will tell.
Mbin
- Mbin’s roadmap : https://github.com/orgs/MbinOrg/projects/5
- One instance running Mbin : https://kbin.earth/
Piefed
- Piefed’s roadmap : https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/projects/7800
- Flagship’s instance : https://piefed.social/
- Piefed news : !piefed_meta@piefed.social
Sublinks
- Sublinks’s roadmap : https://github.com/orgs/sublinks/projects/1/views/6
- Flagship’s instance : https://demo.sublinks.org/
- Sublinks news : !sublinks@discuss.online
“reactionay” = going against their tankie ideology.
Eventually, it’s a good thing they decide to delist the instance (while jlailu is discussing it too), it will reduce useless conflicts.
I love it when they say reactionary. It’s the ultimate projection. Like reactionaries are exactly what they are, urging to return to Soviet-era communism.
their only idols are long-dead dictators or people who want to return to how things previously were. Like Winnie the Pooh wanting Taiwan to return to China
Reactionaries full and through
As Hexbear becomes increasingly isolated, more and more of their users will start making accounts on other instances. After migrating, they’ll still have their toxic post truth discource, but they’ll be harder to identify at a glance. I’m definitely not against cutting ties with Hexbear, I was in favor of it when Lemmy world did it. But now I’m dreading the thought of those users trickling back into my feed one by one. For my personal Lemmy experience, the existence of Hexbear was great in that it kept so many toxic people contained in a place away from me.
I highly doubt there’s much more migration than before. Hexbear existed as a standalone site with no federation for years before the reddit apiocalypse caused the mass migration to Lemmy.
They spawned from CTH on Reddit getting banned into dirt years ago. That’s actually a good chunk of how Lemmy came to be in the first place iirc. Hexbear has been on Lemmy for years, but only because they socially-squeezed themselves off of reddit with their classic “style”.
If they join another instance, they will not benefit from as much local support, the social pressure will eventually discourage them, and they will probably just go back to using only their local bubble.
Their time in isolation from when reddit banned chapo did them no favors. When it was banned it was a flavor of radicalism that was tolerable.
They’ve devolved into something much worse, in the style of the red guard in China killing avowed communists for not being communist enough, and thinking it’s a good thing. They’re just screaming into the void making all leftists look unreasonable and bad, and wondering why no one can stand them.
I’ve yet to have an interaction with someone from hexbear post reddit exodus where I thought to myself, “you know I bet they’re pretty chill in real life.”
If they keep their attitude they’ll be kicked off most instances, generally they won’t be able to circlejerk so after a while I’d expect them to self-isolate again.
You’re probably right. Case in point: Linkerbaan was eventually banned, although it did take a long time.
The opinions on this were interesting. My simplified take: One person thinks it’s even worse than I thought. One person thinks it’s not going to be a problem in the first place. And 3 persons think that it’s a problem that will resolve itself, so no reason to worry.
Do any of these alternatives have an ios app, because as soon as they do, I’m switching.
I can’t support an app developed by pro-russians.
I’m not a fan of defederation in general, because I think, communication can break down barriers, and we need to confront differences and not build further fronts - as this would only help fascist regimes like Russia.
But some people seem to only want to troll or keep hanging on some ideology without regard for reality…