“Heads up, there won’t be a WAN Show this week. Instead, we will continue to focus on addressing issues raised both internally and by the community during our production break. We appreciate you all for your patience.”

115 points

Kinda bummed but also a good choice unless it was Luke and someone else.

Don’t really need Linus opening his mouth right now.

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Tarren would be interesting, but I suspect he is probably very hesitant to go live and unfiltered. He has seen how that worked for his predecessor :/

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WAN Show’s real appeal (to me, at least) has always been the unfiltered and real time conversations. Though as of late, those conversations have been more about creating controversy then real discussion 😐

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Agreed, that is why I like it as well. A lot of the controversy is the community taking their unfiltered words and twisting them, rather than listening for the actual intent that is being expressed. Without the Luke saves Linus would have burned the whole company to the ground a long time ago. Hard R etc :D

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2 points

Less factual input and more “bro this just sucks, trust me”.

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72 points

I’m glad they recognize the gravity of the situation and are treating this as a true existential moment for the company.

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I’m pretty sure Linus saw the absolute shitstorm he was about to face in all 3 chats, and ran the other way.

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Either that or the whole management team had to drag him away kicking and screaming so he wouldn’t throw more oil into the fire.

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Yvonne said she was the one that put her foot down after his post. The entire vibe I got out of that apology video was “alright, we’re raining in Linus and fixing this shit”

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My guess is this. Tong probably said “Linus, shut the fuk up and disappear for a little bit”.

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As much as I like WAN show, it does seem a bit symptomatic of the overwork. They go until after midnight on a Friday night? And frequently they call someone who should be home?

Merch messages have metastasized it a bit. Maybe they should just prerecord it during work hours, and answer merch messages from the previous week? Would be less interactive, but most of the curated merch messages seem to be general questions anyway, rather than topic specific questions? They could still automatically show current merch messages in the banner as the video goes live?

I at least hope they are either paying Dan overtime or letting him shift his hours around.

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Yup, agreed. In isolation, working late or unusual hours is not bad, but with the other things going on, perhaps worth them stepping back and evaluating if it’s the right thing to do.

I doubt Colton has an on-call agreement to cover him getting call up on the show.

I am currently doing on-call work, I get a daily lump sum to hold the phone, and a fixed call out sum of I get called out. There are lots of different arrangements it seems. Compensation and balance is key though

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There’s no “off hours” for csuite though. At that point you’re expected to act whether you’re balls deep in your partner or chilling at the office.

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Hope Dan is getting reimbursed as well, though if Madison’s claim about time off is to be believed, I don’t have much confidence in that. A bit of a side tangent, but the way Linus talks to Dan has always kinda rubbed me the wrong way. There’s jokey “Dan wants me to do this but I’m gonna do this instead” banter that’s ok but there are times where Linus just seems to openly disregard Dan and blame him for his own fuckups on the show. Not trying to be a parasocial Andy here but it does make the podcast harder to listen to, imo.

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Linus has this attitude with everyone. The reason you see it more with Dan is because it’s Live.

He has an attitude problem

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Yeah, I was really annoyed when, during the Billet Labs monoblock “review” video, I saw Linus berating his cohost for not guessing shit he wanted, while the cohost was very obviously trying his best to do all he could while respectfully staying out of Linus’s way.

And that’s just one example in a single video.

Damned if you do, damned is you don’t. You just can’t win.

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It’s really off-putting to me too, even if it was truly fake banter. And I’m no longer sure it’s even mostly fake banter.

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I know what you mean. Without knowing their personal relationship it can seem a bit cruel at times.

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They went about this in the last episode and Dan was actually so into it that Linus felt bad.

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Yes he does, he gets reminded quite often to put in the overtime

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That’s good, thanks for letting us know, I must have missed it whenever that has been said.

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We are no longer dicussing facts anyway and want to burn people at the stake

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I don’t want to burn anyone at the stake. I just want to know that everything is done above board. If they are getting overtime, then all is well, and I’m happy.

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That’s the exact same thing I’m thinking every time I’m watching. I wouldn’t stay at work after midnight on every single Friday that’s for sure.

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But when you take in over $10k an hour in merch, you might put up with it.

Their leaked internal WAN Show dashboard:

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That’s crazy.

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Another symptom of the overwork is that I believe they’re late to start most weeks?

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They’ve been using polls for a lot for a while now - even things that were recently criticized like the Framework investment, was originally a poll on WAN asking how the audience felt about the ethical implications of that investment. And whether the audience thought it was acceptable so long as they always disclaim that Linus is a Framework investor during coverage of other laptops. To me it kinda makes sense how they could get so caught up in an echo chamber of die-hard fans who encourage them into things that people who aren’t in that core fan group see as problematic or at least ethically questionable. I see using fans to guide decision making as one of the root problems at LTT, because fans, pretty much by definition, already think you can do no wrong, and will often be blind to the way things look to a broader audience.

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So every youtber who has patron is ethical questionable?

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They probably had some floatplane exclusives ready to go pre- scheduled. Asking about that from their paying customers honestly seems fair.

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Pretty sure I saw another screenshot that said they did have a couple in the wings they asked about postponing.

But at a certain point the outrage has to apparently turn into a witch hunt and blaming them for stuff they didn’t or haven’t done, so here we are. There’s plenty of real stuff to be mad about without making anything up.

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Little different for being paying outright for the content I guess.

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Yeah, I’m by no means happy with this turn of events, but given that they actually pay for content on Floatplane, it makes perfect sense to me to ask them if they should do a show.

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how else do you expect him to read the room and know not to make sex jokes or steal auction shit that isnt his.

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They had exclusives already produced, uploaded and scheduled to go live, so no actual work to release them. The poll was if they should let those go ahead or hold them back in the spirit of the break.

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Haha. I saw what you did there. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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If they continue it meant they value tradition more than righting the wrongs. Remember that it’s deep seated tradition that allowed the work culture to fester in the first place.

Not to mention all the chats would be bombarded.

Lastly I think Dan deserves a break.

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