Tech’s broken promises: Streaming is now just as expensive and confusing as cable. Ubers cost as much as taxis. And the cloud is no longer cheap::Some tech is getting pricier and looking a lot like the older services it was supposed to beat. From video streaming to ride-hailing and cloud computing.

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This is the best summary I could come up with:


Paramount+ with Showtime costs $12 a month and the live TV part has commercials and a few other shows include “brief promotional interruptions,” according to the company.

The Financial Times recently reported that a basket of the top US streaming services will cost $87 this fall, compared with $73 a year ago.

Some companies, such as Dropbox, have even repatriated most of their IT workloads from the public cloud, saving millions of dollars, the VC firm noted.

Last month, Google, the third-largest cloud provider, started a pilot program where thousands of its employees are limited to using work computers that are not connected to the internet, according to CNBC.

If staff have computers disconnected from the internet, hackers can’t compromise these devices and gain access to sensitive user data and software code, CNBC reported.

Disclosure: Mathias Döpfner, CEO of Business Insider’s parent company, Axel Springer, is a Netflix board member.


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Who’s a good little bot?

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You say “broken promises” I say “the plan all along” and “bait and switch”.

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Yep. The business model has always been “Lure them in and stifle competition with a low initial cost. Then when we have the market we can jack up the price.” Enshitification at its best.

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This is just capitalism at work. Capitalism = enshitification, exploitation, and destruction.

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Capitalism without any regulation*

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Literally working as intended. Not sure why it takes people so long to figure this out.

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Also known as the Wal-Mart business model.

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Yeah it’s called capitalism

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A lot of these things were proudly unprofitable, which is basically their way of getting around anti-trust violations. If they had a revenue stream to make the business profitable (outside of investors handing them more cash) then they’d be hit with anti-trust lawsuits for offering services at a loss in order to drive the competition out of business. But instead they just convince investors to hang on long enough to achieve the same goal, then raise their prices when they’ve got too much power to fail.

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“Rent seeking” has a nice ring to it in this case, I think. The previous situation was fine, except for not being profitable enough for the right people.

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Capitalism is just one big con, and you have no alternative but to play along.

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Is this surprising? The prices were always going to adjust to the market. Any new cheap thing that undercuts the market will eventually become the market as it becomes mainstream, and prices will be increased to what the market will bear to maximize profits.

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Sure. But torrents are for files which is different from streaming. And Kodi + Trakt is still far beyond Netflix.

The costs to you with torrents are the relatively small risk you may get sued for a lot of money and/or the cost of covering up your activity with a VPN to make it harder to sue you.

People who were always going to pirate are still always going to pirate. But companies like Netflix know that people will pay for a convenient, legal service with features they like. But if they start charging too much or make their platform suck, people will be more likely to cancel them and pirate.

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Well that’s the difference, most people will pirate when it’s more convenient to do so. And as long as prices are so exorbitant.

I pirate hockey games, because watching hockey is ridiculously inconvenient and/or expensive.

I do not pirate music anymore, or video games because Apple Music is more convenient and not very expensive and steam has all the games I’d ever want to play, and has enough sales that it’s not that expensive either.

I don’t pirate movies and tv shows because Netflix and Disney really cover anything I want to watch and anything else I share a crave subscription, like for Game of Thrones

But I do pirate hockey games.

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I use WebTorrent nowadays, since it allows you to stream torrents. But before that, I also used qBittorrent, great application.

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Qbit also lets you stream torrents, you just have to ‘download in sequential order’.

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I think the problem comes in with all the copyright and monopolization bs companies like Verizon and apple pull to remove all possible competition and allow them to jack up their prices

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This is surprising from a naive market based perspective. Think about how TVs and computers have gotten cheaper and better. The hope was that this wouldn’t just be the same product with new players. The idea (or the lie if you prefer) was that the new technologies would lead to efficiencies so we can all get more for less.

It just didn’t make any sense for something like Uber. It costs money to give someone a living wage and their app wasn’t going to change the fact that someone still had to drive the car. The whole idea made no sense, which is why they were racing to autonomous cars. That hasn’t panned out.

I actually think streaming is a much better value than cable, even at the same price. Shows are higher quality and more plentiful. Many high quality movies are included. You’re also not required to get every package. Skip Paramount if you don’t want it. I still think streaming easily beats cable.

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Exclusive rights to content are the problem here. There is no competition if the consumer has no choice (except not watching at all).

There is a case here for legal separation between content production and distribution. Not just streaming services, it goes for any content, games, cinema, even patents.

Uber on the other hand - I have a problem with their employment rights, not paying people or calling them “contractors” instead of employees.

Otherwise it’s a great positive example of free market in practice. Someone had an idea for a new business model, tried it, it appeared to work for a couple of years, and now they will fail because it doesn’t have a long term perspective. It shook up existing monopolistic practices in the industry, and then tried to establish their own monopoly. And will fail because of that. It goes in circles.

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No it’s not surprising, we ALL STILL live in the same fucking capitalist nightmare.

Anyone surprised is simply naïve and/or a literal child lol

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The prices were always going to adjust to the market

The prices will always be inflated regardless. The free market is a myth at best, a delusion at worst.

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But I can binge streaming services and then cancel without multiple hundred dollar fees. And I can use the same app for Uber no matter what city I’m in.

So… I get things aren’t paradise but let’s be clear they’re still largely covering a lot of folks needs.

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For now.

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Moreover, not to take sides with Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Dropbox, Box, etc, but storing files costs money to maintain (there needs to be redundancy, every once in a while drives need to be replaced, they need to be cooled, etc), so we’d like it to be cheap, but doing all these things cannot be free for the hosting company.

This is not to say they are jacking up prices, but that it cannot stay super cheap forever.

Still, these services have been very handy so far, though I’m looking to see if the plan I have is still convenient compared to the competition

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Seems to me like it would be more sustainable if it was super cheap for a large common library so a large userbase would maintain a continuous subscription, supporting a large continuous revenue, rather than signing-up and quitting intermittently.

The media companies are ruining it for themselves by trying to squeeze more out of the users, which leads them not to stick with any of them.

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Seems to me like it would be more sustainable if it was super cheap for a large common library so a large userbase would maintain a continuous subscription, supporting a large continuous revenue, rather than signing-up and quitting intermittently.

Excuse me, but how would a tiny percentage of people profit off of this?! What is even the point if there are no shareholders to demand record profits year after year? /s

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I still believe there’s a huge markup though. Look at premium Usenet providers - they store something like 1200 days of the posts (minus DMCA takedowns) which I think run something like hundreds of petabytes of data. Yet they can provide the service, including transfer, for what has to be a niche market at rates around $10 a month. Presumably there’s no “magic” or subsidies in what they’re doing. Yet what they’re doing is essentially what a big streaming service is doing.

Now you might say - well, yea, $10 a month - right around streaming prices. Sure, but you figure in the larger scale to spread the costs over. For Box etc, they’re not even having the content costs that a Netflix would have (which I’ll admit is a lot, and might well make up for the difference between just storage and transfer of Usenet) which makes them comparable in some sense.

Even if you say that well, Usenet gets multiple companies cooperating in their competition and storing the same data so they get some redundancy for “free”, compare to backup providers like Backblaze at $7 a month for unlimited storage (unless you’re on Linux, then f**k you, so I don’t use them, but still). Or Jottacloud that runs around $100 a year for 5TB soft cap 10TB hard cap.

I still think there’s a mix of a lot of markup, and people not actually looking much into competition - I know people who don’t cross compare.

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“Needs” lol

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We talk about being able to stop paying things as a service in it’s own right lol.

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I’m I the only person who goes to the library for movies?

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Nope, we love our local library for nearly all of our media needs!

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You are not!! We utilize the shit out of our library

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Goes to? Now even many libraries have streaming options.

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And video games.

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Unfortunately here in the UK there has been systematic defunding of things like libraries.

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It’s sad really as the idea that you could read a book for free in the 1900s was basically the OG ‘fuck copyright’.

Books are weapons in the war of ideas…

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At that point? I’d just pirate. Streaming services are for convenience. Going to the library for a physical piece of media isn’t very convenient for me

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Your library has free transportation and cloud storage?

You’re cherry-picking and strawmanning like crazy…

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Actually, my library does have free streaming through Kanopy app. It’s pretty good. https://www.kanopy.com/ And my bike provides pretty good transportation.

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