I find articles like this so frustrating. It feels like it is aimed at being a wake-up call to the reader, but at the same time offers no solutions, no advice and still lays the blame at the feet of the average person for not doing enough. “What we have done to ourselves” is not advocate enough I guess?
Perhaps I’m not the target audience for the article. I grew up in an environmentally conscious home we’ll before it was trendy and have been worried about climate change for as long as I can remember. It’s hard to see an article like this as anything other than an effort to drive traffic…
I’d be happy to hear what others got out of the article if it was more positive than my read of it.
Climate despair is the new climate denial, and these doomer editorials are oil industry propaganda pivoting.
If we can’t do anything about it then nothing has to change and rich people keep getting everything they want.
@nottelling @CleverNameAndNumbers
“rich people keep getting everything they want”
Even rich people don’t *want* death and destruction. They want money!
I’m honestly super sick of this take. I keep seeing people say that the oil industry is responsible for doomers, and it’s as bad as climate denial.
Is it though? Of all the people I know, the only ones that take the situation at all seriously are the ones that actually truly believe we are in serious trouble. Only those people are voting primarly based on climate issues, taking part in protests, or making changes to lifestyle. The vast majority of people don’t actually believe we are in serious trouble. The vast majority of media is still feeding us the line that things are basically going to be fine with some incremental changes.
Oil companies are advocating for market solutions to the problem and continuing the status quo as long as possible. The idea they are trying to cause the greater population to actually believe they are doomed is insane. A population that actually believes they are doomed might take drastic action.
I dunno, I have the unfortunate experience of association with a lot of libertarian types. All of them believe we’re in serious danger, all of them believe it’s too late, and all of them are leaning hard into that “fuck you I got mine” mentality because it’s too late for anything else.
They do nothing to help except vote libertarian or green.
Dead on accurate. These oil execs know they’ll be dead before there’s any significant impact to them. They justify it as the cost of doing business and ensuring they continue to get a fat paycheck. There’s clear evidence of major corps like the tobacco industry seeding doubt and spreading misinformation when it came out how dangerous their product was. Hell even look at things like the corporate influence in the creation of the food pyramid. Really? Everyone needs a giant fat serving of carbs?? They sure do when there’s money to be made.
It’s no different with climate change. Spread misinformation, seed doubt, when that doesn’t work pivot and play on the despair as your angle. Whatever keeps the paychecks flowing and people focused on anything but the truth.
The greed of humanity will ultimately be our undoing.
relevant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc1vrO6iL0U
(Also, archive link to top article: https://archive.is/gI427 )
“we”
That’s an odd way to spell “what the insatiable greed of like seven corporations has done to us.”
Those 7 corporations. Would those be companies whose products we keep buying?
Who is consuming their products? I’m doing my damn best not too while striving for structural change, and I’d bet the other user is too. What about you? People taking your stance are usually the ones trying to make excuses to keep consuming mindlessly.
Yeah, if people really wanted, they could make their own phones and all they own by hand. These damn socialists!
“We can’t make our own phones, so there’s literally nothing we can do!”
Do you have a plant based diet, or try to reduce meat consumption to the best of your abilities?
Do you walk or take public transport when you could walk?
Do you avoid buying things you do not need?
If you answered “yes” to all that, then congratulations! You are part of a different 1%, and you are also just arguing for the sake of arguing.
If you answered “no”, then you’re part of the problem. You can pretend otherwise all you want, but you are one cog that keeps the system going. The system isn’t magical, other wordly, or some fundamental law of the universe. The system is people and their choices.
You mean the products they designed to be as cheap as possible with no care on their impact on the environment, and then brainwashed the population through marketing to make us think we actually needed them?
Billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars of propaganda are just a coincidence.
And a century of research into more powerful and crushing propaganda. Just a coincidence.
Show me how to stop using oil. SHOW ME.
What I, an individual, can do. And don’t say: consume less. I need to eat to live. And don’t say: vote for politicians. We’re doing that and it isn’t fast enough. So, what can an individual do to stop this? Go on. We’re all waiting.
There’s very little, without systemic change. But blaming the 7 companies is too easy, as well. Imagine, if you will - what happens if the 7 companies tomorrow simply say ‘you convinced us - we will completely cease operations tomorrow’. Lots of dead people.
As an individual? Not much. As a small group of co-conspirators? Nothing that can be advocated for on a public forum, but there are a few options.
I’m only in my thirties. I don’t really think I had like… A huge hand in all this.
You’re conflating greenhouse gas emissions with particulate pollution. Particulates damage lungs and drop temperatures, but fall out of the atmosphere within a few weeks of emission into the troposphere.
CO2 accumulates, and raises temperatures.
And how many in their voting lifetime? About 25% according to that site.
Now how many were in their country? Surely a much smaller portion.
But we’re all to blame really, because we all take part in the system. The only way to escape blame is to not live. Although, to be clear, blame should not be evenly distributed here.
I dont think we are not all to blame. We are forced to be part of the system, as you mention, the only way of “escaping” the system is by not being alive. How can we be blamed for something that was imposed on us?
Well it can’t be the billionaires or the boomers, so it must be your fault.
This is what late stage capitalists actually believe
I feel it’s time for people that care to start moving on the the acceptance phase of our future. Whether that is beginning to accept austerity in what we eat/wear/do and wait for the collective “we” to join us when they need to adapt more rapidly than we chose to, or if we give in and join the “it’s already too late, let it burn” side.
I try to stay positive, because I’ve always tried to conserve and be responsible, so it isn’t too bad, but I feel bad for the next generation or 2 at least. They asked for this even less than we did. But I feel the sooner we get on acting like this is a done deal the better, because most people aren’t going to care until they’re hurting.
I feel it’s time for people that care to start moving on the the acceptance phase of our future.
I’ve recently started to feel this way as well. One need not look any further than this thread itself to see that we’re fucked. The discussion here is a perfect example of how we seem to be frozen in some sort of complex “prisoner’s dilemma” between the public, the media, the politicians, the industry, etc. All this finger-pointing going around, when the reality is that most people AND (especially) most companies in the entire developed/industrialized world shares a large part of the blame for this, and because of the mentality (human nature) and manipulations (capitalist nature) at play, nothing will be done in time before our species starts to be completely decimated.
I’ve been recommending this article to people who seem to share this realization, because it not only describes what we’re thinking, but it also provides some resources to help us process this.
Edit: At the same time, I still would like to fight like hell to change our course. But I just don’t want to fight alone, and I fear that that’s what it would mostly feel like. Alone, or very, very few people by my side.
The prisoners dilemma seems an appropriate analogy. Business doesn’t want to budge first and commit to a giant investment that isn’t profit driven. It commits then to us and other businesses can eat their lunch while they sacrifice profit to help society. Government doesn’t want to move first and drive business or if the county. And selfish people are just going to be selfish.
For your edit comments, just keep living by your principles. Share with others who want to listen, but don’t force anyone. Just be you. If you’re reading things like this out of curiosity, you’re on the right side of things already.
The prisoners dilemma seems an appropriate analogy. Business doesn’t want to budge first and commit to a giant investment that isn’t profit driven. It commits then to us and other businesses can eat their lunch while they sacrifice profit to help society. Government doesn’t want to move first and drive business or if the county. And selfish people are just going to be selfish.
You got what I was driving at. I don’t even think that it takes people being particularly selfish either. I think it just takes human nature. Most people want to have nice things and very few want to be the first or only one to make a sacrifice. So people in general are involved in this prisoner’s dilemma too, along with business, government, and media. It’s like a 4-way prisoner’s dilemma from hell.
For your edit comments, just keep living by your principles. Share with others who want to listen, but don’t force anyone. Just be you. If you’re reading things like this out of curiosity, you’re on the right side of things already.
Thanks, you too.