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Maybe all of those in favor of the protests kept their word and only those who are against it remain?

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I don’t miss Reddit. I checked some comment sections and holy hell is it toxic compared to here. I think part of that is because of what you’ve mentioned in your comment.

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I used to work for this major company, biggest in my country by far.

Whether it was going well or poorly, they tended to offer severance packages to “cut back” on their staff, to appease the grotesquely overpaid consultants that analysed their finances.

What tended to happen, was that the most qualified people, who had no issues finding another job (often better paying), took those packages (I took home a one year salary after having worked there almost three, then had two months vacation and started a better paying job), which left those who didn’t really have other options, those who did the bare minimum and had a lot of useless meetings.

I guess that’s what reddit is heading for. They are alienating those who contribute the most, the content creators, the mods and the ones who like to engage others. They will be left with their bots, lurkers, racists, reposters and porn-spammers.

Good riddance.

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Completely agree. I’m kinda hoping the substance of reddit just moves to lemmy and none of us will have to deal with so many tools and trolls.

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I also think the Advertising subs don’t care much. You know the ones that are content rich from the posters but actually modded by the organisation the sub is for.

For example /r/razer mods being linked to taking bribes and specific subs dedicated to a brand.

They have nice communities but they’ll stay.

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Good for you! I recently changed jobs to a more stable position after asking for years to be put on full time staff at my old one. Once they filled a position with an outside hire instead of bringing me on full time, I knew it was the end of the road. Now I get paid almost twice as much plus amazing benefits to do about half the work.

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holy hell is it toxic compared to here

I cannot agree more! I went to reddit (wirhour an acc) and just… wow. Did it got worse or was I always blind to how awful that place was?

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I think you are seeing some withdrawal symptoms honestly. People are addicted to scrolling for their next dopamine hit. When that’s taken away they get cranky. Add the anonymous nature of being online and things get toxic real fast.

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I was IP banned from Reddit so I only got to use it without an account for the last few months. It’s very toxic. The front page (not logged in) is so fucked.

I don’t miss Reddit.

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I’ll be real. I miss it for very specific subs. It’s definitely more toxic but small game subs and stuff like that I miss

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Poke back and encourage mod teams to move here.

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Ever tried having a discussion in any of the default subs? If your opinion differentiates from the hivemind you will be downvoted as spam, without any responses. It completely defeats the purpose of a “discussion”

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What do you mean specifically by “differ” however?

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I don’t see his it won’t happen here. The vote structure is very similar.

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I miss my smaller and niche subs. I don’t think I’ve waded into the default subs in a very long time.

Oh well, to everything there is a season, right?

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It’s getting really bad. I’m noticing there being a lot of comments in subs where there barely were any and any mention of the blackout and what might happen after the 30th is met by tons of downvotes and removal. Tinfoil hat but it feels like there are bots making these bad faith comments.

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Considering Spez once edited another user’s comments, I would not put that tinfoil hat theory past him.

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I miss Apollo. Turns out Reddit itself was highly replaceable.

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Memmy is pretty close, and directly inspired by Apollo.

It’s still very very early but there’s a lot of the same gesture features that Apollo had.

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21 points

I just switched over to lemmy from reddit, and it is much nicer here isn’t riddled with ads and toxicity. I just hope that more users do join over here, since there were a few subreddits/people I followed and would still like to see there updates/posts

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Might have to create some of those subs yourself. But yeah, getting the userbase up might be a struggle for a bit.

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I think this might actually be the case. Let’s see how things work out. Lemmy surprised me as a proper alternative it’s just not as content rich as reddit at the moment. Something about chickens and eggs.

Let’s just expand and improve it further than the original lemmies did. Don’t be afraid to post content, heck scrape content and make this the better option. People will follow content.

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I’d like to add that there’s already been a significant increase in the amount of content and comments in just the last few days. I joined a whole 5 days ago (so many ages ago, I know) and back then it was somewhere between 1 and 2k users on this instance. It was way emptier - you could read all of the posts in most of the “big” communities in an hour or so. And the new feed was pretty stale.

Lemmy’s not the firehose of content that is Reddit yet, but it’s making real progress.

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it’s just not as content rich as reddit at the moment

This can change fast.

You should’ve seen it two weeks ago.

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There’s something to that. Hearing stories of subreddits reopen and ask the userbase what they want to do, well, who exactly are they asking? I’m not there, and I’ve seen plenty of posts from others who are also not there. Are they taking silence as votes against? I doubt it.

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I’m going to go back to reddit for a bit, but only to encourage mod teams to setup shop here.

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4 points

Literally. The people in favor of the protests are… Protesting! Everybody else doesn’t care.

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and you know what? I am happier to be around people that keep their word.

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tbats one of the reasons we are all (still) here. these are the people we want to be with.

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I think this is mostly what’s goin on. Also I’d be pretty surprised if reddit didn’t have it’s own astroturfing force that accounted for a chunk of this backlash.

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52 points

This comment is incorrect as well.

The people that cared left and what’s left behind is people that wouldn’t leave anyway and the strike only bothers them.

This person is living in a bubble and can’t see further than their nose.

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8 points

Survivorship bias!

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Absolutely agree.

I believe this was reddit’s intention at least in part. People who care were also those constantly exposing their anti-consumer practices and greedy policies. I’m inclined to believe the administration will be pretty glad, at least for a while, that those who get what’s happening are gone.

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Or even written explicitly to make the point about protests with only patsing intersection to the events on reddit.

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we have had the first wave - and its gone well. second wave is incomming on or about the 30th - probably smaller, but no less committed (long term). after that its a war of attrition.

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unrelated to your comment (sorta), but I just saw your comment update in real time after you edited it. I just thought that’s a really cool feature and wanted to point it out :)

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realtime comment subscriptions are pretty damn slick.

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Ok that’s pretty neat.

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While it is neat I don’t see it offering a good user experience.

The reason this shouldn’t be in here, in a forum platform, is that if you go to the front page and try to read new it keeps bouncing up and down because it’s constantly updating.

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I believe this will be gone very soon though once they remove websockets

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Yup, it will be interesting to see what happens when the moderation really starts to suffer and subs are more and more full of ads, spam, trolls, and other kinds of problems.

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Then the third wave when they finally kill off old.reddit.com

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yes. forgot about old! that may pull in the remainder of the old guard and could be a damn big event. I am now thinking that the reddit overlords may hold this one off as long as possible. exciting times.

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You know I see that a lot of people love old reddit. I was a fan of it 10 years ago. When it switched to the modern layout, I think I was kind indifferent at first. But trying to go back to it after all these years, it seems like a downgrade in many ways. I guess I’m not seeing what they’re seeing lol.

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More than 3 comments in a chain

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I think the 30th will be smaller, but the ones who do participate will be more likely to go indefinite as users who just can’t stand the official app are forced to quit.

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You say smaller, but I’m thinking a lot of people will realise that their clients actually don’t work anymore on that date 😂

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Yeah I think they’re underestimating how many people just won’t use the official app. The people who use Apollo, RiF, Relay, etc. are pretty attached.

I know for me reddit is just the app on my phone that I press when I’m bored now. I figured when the app doesn’t work anymore I’ll just find entertainment elsewhere, which is how I found the fediverse. Now that I’m here the whole concept of decentralized interconnected communities has totally sold me on the project.

The problem with reddit, Twitter, twitch, etc. as I see it is that they’re all just trying to profit off their users somehow. That’s not conducive to fostering healthy communities of people. I think this whole thing is the future of social networking, take the big corps out of the equation.

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Yeah, I’m sure it’ll die down more once the third party apps shut down. I wonder how many people are in it for the social aspect of Reddit anymore anyway, or if it isn’t just a constant scroll and upvote thing.

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The fediverse is the way. I’m not smart enough to say if it’s the best option, but it’s a hell of a lot better than a profit driven monolith run by out of touch investors. Reddit won’t implode but it won’t be the same as it was even a week ago. This decentralized structure is what the internet wants to be.

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One way I’m looking at this opportunity is like email, anyone can set up an email server thanks to how it got established. So if this pans out and eventually we get funded hosts in the vein of Gmail and Hotmail, who spend money writing fancy UIs and on marketing, we still have a fundamental base where we can shuffle away from the big players and go set up our own servers.

I do hope to see some funded options come into this space, they can control/own their interface into the data, but they can’t control/own the data.

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as long as we are vigilant for the microsoft method of embrace, extend, extingush/enshittify we will be good.

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I look forward to the day of Lemmy IE6 with custom activex features.

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How would that realistically happen on Lemmy?

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I’m brand new to the fediverse concept so funded hosting hadn’t occurred to me. Yeah, let the big boys throw some money at it and we reap the benefits!

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The fediverse has one thing going for it that any other alternative lacks: a credible approach to dealing with the network effect. In isolation, it is very difficult to start an independent social media website. This becomes much, much easier when you have neighboring sites that you can interact with. Federation serves as a catalyst. I’ve been longing for the proliferation of open source social media for over 15 years. Nothing has changed the state of affairs more thoroughly than the introduction of federation.

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It’s certainly the best option that currently exists at least.

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It’s either fediverse or nostr. But nostr is more twitter-like than reddit-like and is filled with cryptobros so no thanks no

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filled with cryptobros

Ah, so it’s terrible.

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What?

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??? It’s just a euphemism

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It’s a fairly common name, like mailman. No need to pull out the sexism card

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There’s also a non-zero chance this is astroturfing by Reddit itself as part of Damage Control SOP.

(For that matter, this instance would seem more along the lines of a weaponized “backdraft”, IMHO. A rather simple way to turn the subs against their mods to crank up the heat, eh?)

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I think people are seeing Reddit as their only solution right now due to the lack of awareness of this place. It’s been a bit sad to see all the news articles written about the event but very few plugs for alternate options to visit.

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10 points

investor class protectng its latest cash-cow.

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Lazy people fearing change is more like it. I’m waiting to see if capitulation occurs. If things don’t get fixed by month end I’ll zero my main account and walk away.

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I just wonder if all the anti Lemmy posts I’ve seen have been Reddit employees

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Funny you mention that, I found out about Lemmy specifically from a dude who was being downvoted to hell for even mentioning it as an alternative. So glad I decided to look into it I love this place and the whole idea of the fediverse in general.

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I understand that the fediverse isn’t the most intuitive thing to understand, and that many people won’t immediately understand it, but I’ve seen so many comments saying that it’s too confusing (even in response to direct links to instances with the simplest explanations). There has to be an astroturfing campaign of some kind going on

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Probably written by AI even. Trolls can do that now.

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there has been quite a bit of this - in many venues. I have been involved in so many firefights involving bullshit “what-a-bout”-isms and strawman ideological stupidity that I have wondered how much astroturfing and sock-puppetry was going on. now I suspect there was quite a bit.

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I’ve been telling people, the only way this works is if communities migrate somewhere else. Every single blacked out subreddit needs to post their new location on a site other than Reddit. Otherwise people will just stay on Reddit and wait or visit/make new subreddits.

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