I don’t know any true Christians who are MAGA or racists or even bigots. But with the commonly used definition that if someone says something is bad they automatically are seen as hating the people doing it many people arguing in communities like that would be called haters or bigots and possibly be banned here on lemmy.world. Even though most true Christians don’t like MAGA and hardline rights they might feel the need to create communities like r/TrueChristian oad r/AskAChristian on exploding-heads.com or similar servers because they might think that their opinions are tolerated there. What do you think?
Religion is as much a protected class as sexual orientation. So long as they abide by the community rules, which includes the social contract of tolerance, then they’ll be just as tolerated.
What do you understand as “tolerant”? Does it have to be always affirming? Say, I state that a certain behavior is not good. You disagree. I tolerate your opinion even though I disagree. But you state that my opinion is hateful and want it to be banned. Who of us is “tolerant”?
It’s not that complicated. If someone is in a protected class based on something you disagree with, keep it to yourself. If you’re compelled by religious conscience to pull someone out of a protected class, this isn’t the place for you.
No true Christian would [heinous behavior] doesn’t work very well, when [heinous behavior] is basically synonymous with the brand.
If you’re asking for/requesting a soft spot for an AskAChristian community here, you should expect an abundance of difficult questions from people who came to lemmy, to get away from the wrath that is Christian love.
I’m all for difficult questions. I’m asking if people would be silenced and banned for stating what the Bible teaches.
I’m a Bible scholar. “What the Bible teaches” eludes most Christians. “What I think the Bible teaches based on my own historical-traditional interpretation” is fine. “How I approach the Bible, taking all known context into consideration” is even better. Whenever someone says, “the Bible teaches,” it’s a major red flag to me.
What I think the Bible teaches based on my own historical-traditional interpretation” is fine.
Whith this you are implying that you think your interpretation of the Bible is the right interpretation.
Whenever someone says, “the Bible teaches,” it’s a major red flag to me.
Is it only a red flag when others say they know what the Bible teaches or also when you say it?
It would be concerning to me if you were persecuted for those beliefs here. I hope the community does well. (:
True Christians rings in a very bad way. You basically are begging for people to call you out for making a „no true scotsman“ falacy:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman
Also, telling people that they will be tortured for etwrnity (hell) or should be outright executed (botht things religious people have done repeatedly) is ultimately bigoted and hateful. If I keep telling you that you will burn for etirnity for who you are, that is nothing short of hate.
So, should these groups be allowed to exist? Sure, I‘m all for bad arguments being publicly shared so that they can be properly scrutinized and discussed.
Just don’t expect that people will not call you out for the hateful and bigited things your holy book advocates for.
Your link has a very shallow definition of the “No true Scotsman” fallacy.
A better definition is on Wikipedia:
No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample by excluding the counterexample improperly. Rather than abandoning the falsified universal generalization or providing evidence that would disqualify the falsifying counterexample, a slightly modified generalization is constructed ad-hoc to definitionally exclude the undesirable specific case and similar counterexamples by appeal to rhetoric.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
But I can argue that the definition of Cristian comes from the behavior and teaching of Jesus and the new testament and thus excludes bigotry hate and racism.
Also, telling people that they will be tortured for etwrnity (hell) […] is ultimately bigoted and hateful.
Unless that is really true. Then it would be unloving to not warn people.
Unless that is really true. Then it would be unloving to not warn people.
Absolutely. Just make sure it’s true and bring the evidence before you do it though. Otherwise you may be using fear-based emotional manipulation to coerce an opinion, even if that’s not your intention.
As long as it’s moderated in a way that ensures it doesn’t devolve into a bunch of thinly veiled or overt jabs at the usual groups I don’t see why not. Do i have faith it will succeed? Not really
