Some of the very worst of the worst liberal takes, apologia for fascist shit, and of course cryptobro grifts and even Tesla worship keep coming from there. It’s fucked.
I don’t want to say all programmers or tech workers are like that, but I don’t like what I’ve seen so far from people with a .programming suffix on their names.
@UlyssesT@hexbear.net what are your intentions when making posts like this?
I took a programming job because it is my primary skill, and I needed insulin so I wouldn’t die. I was 40k in medical debt and couldn’t even get a goddamn apartment.
My fellow workers, programmers and engineers, labor to survive. They’re not likely to warm to Socialism when they see terminally online takes like this. Why would they?
Read again.
I wasn’t talking about programmers in general in this thread; I was talking about the distinct number of reactionary and horrid right-wing takes from people with the .programming.dev suffix after their user names coming from the federated spaces.
I have argued many times in the past that tech workers are still workers even if it’s unfortunate that too many fall into reactionary ideology.
Consider your rhetoric, and the reactions caused:
I don’t want to say all programmers or tech workers are like that
I don’t think you intend it, but this otherizes a group of us workers. It’s not just “wtf is up with programming.dev,” but instead this now plants the idea that maybe there’s something wrong with this group, specifically. Not just that there’s an issue with some random Lemmy instance.
Look at the reactions, the culture this kind of post creates:
Engineers are vastly over-represented among extremists
Also on the business side of things it’s filled with the worst people imaginable and if you survive your first year or 2 you select for the people that are willing to put up with the worst people imaginable.
It is common for STEM folks to have a reductive world view
As a programmer, I’m here to say that my people are not alright.
The ugly truth is that IT has always been an industry that caters towards the worst of the bourgeoisie
And so on, and so forth. At the core, otherization and division. And I don’t think a majority of the assertions in this thread are even remotely true.
To be clear, I don’t think you or anyone in this thread means ill by it. But this thread, and threads like it, frustrate me.
Are you blaming me for other people’s replies?
At this point, this sounds like bad faith or even concern trolling for me.
I’ll turn it around, just in case it is not: you’re apparently blaming me for deliberately “otherizing” the people you identify with. I could, just as easily, cite decades of “otherizing” non-STEM students and non-STEM (especially non-TE) workers as “underwater basket weavers” “plebians” and a few other trendy condescending titles that amounted to “the ruling class pays them less therefore they are intrinsically less valuable people” ideology.
If you’re going to blame me for replies like that, it really does cut both ways.
It’s definitely not all. Of the 2 friends I know in tech plus my brother, I’ve seen the opposite. Online though? Honestly, as someone who has an account here and an account on another Lemmy instance, I think the biggest issue is age.
I think that there are a lot of older programmers on here that hold some of the same views but are scared of words like “Marxist” and “communism” and it’s hard to deprogram that.
It’s probably the biggest issue between hex and a large chunk of Lemmy. As a zoomer, I get the shitposting on hexbear, even if I’m still very new here and don’t understand every reference. But I can’t imagine being older and seeing all of this stuff. I don’t think a lot of the younger programmers know or Care about lemmy.
But also yeah sometimes there are dudes that are “brand loyal” and “car guys” on here. But again, old dudes, so who cares what they think about anything?
As a millenial programmer, I think you’re spot on. The previous gen and some of the older millenials still remember the old internet of chat rooms, forums, IRC, etc. Lemmy and Reddit are very similar. It’s familiar and nostalgic and I think ends up drawing more of the older crowd. Older non-programmers are stereotypically not really tech savvy enough or don’t have that old nostalgia driving them to use Lemmy. That may be why you see this behavior more from that community.
Having worked in tech. The people that get into programming are the kinds of people that spent their youth inside for a variety of anti-social reasons. I’m not saying that it’s all of them, but there is a significantly above normal number of neurodivergent people within programming with a very large variety of social issues. Working within any tech you learn that you need to figure out oddities about various people in it and play around the various issues people have to get anything done.
Also on the business side of things it’s filled with the worst people imaginable and if you survive your first year or 2 you select for the people that are willing to put up with the worst people imaginable. This then selects for even worse people, over and over and over again.
it’s filled with the worst people imaginable and if you survive your first year or 2 you select for the people that are willing to put up with the worst people imaginable. This then selects for even worse people, over and over and over again.
This also describes the US military
Heaven help you if you’re a feeeeemale trying to get anywhere in the affluent tech world.
(CW: sex pestery, coercive drugging, sexual assault)
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/brotopia-silicon-valley-secretive-orgiastic-inner-sanctum
As a programmer, I’ve honestly met about one colleague who was actually reactionary. The rest have been pretty much fine and on the level. I don’t know if it’s just American programmers or I’m just a massive outlier, but I’ve never seen justification for this labelling in my own experiences.
I’ve met a ton of left leaning tech workers, but also a lot batshit libertarians, people extremely trusting of propaganda, and people completely ignorant about history, even pop stuff like the national guard opening fire on students at Kent State.
I think it really depends on organization to organization. Sometimes people are just so passionate about programming that it eclipses any deep thought outside of programming and they’ll have shit takes out of ignorance.
Oh I’ve met more than one, and I’m from Europe. They’re not as prevalent as OP is making them out to be but they definitely exist.
Most are just extremely milquetoast liberals.
They’re not as prevalent as OP is making them out to be
I wasn’t even talking about programmers in general in this thread; I was talking about the federated community, here, with the .programming suffix.
I did no such labeling myself, not in this thread.
I’m talking about the “.programming” federated community and its many posters, that use that place’s suffix when they go elsewhere and post reactionary, even cryptofascist takes.
I think the thing is that it’s not just programmers, it’s terminally online programmers. Most people that are programmers are not terminally online, they touch computer to make money. Basically they tend to be more like zuck than Elon. But then the ones online are like Elon, and that’s who you see.
After the revolution, all programmers will spend at least 1 year breaking rocks with hammers by hand.
Any attempt to “optimize the workflow” or “automate the task” will result in being assigned to bigger rocks with smaller hammers.
Good question, the answer is -
hands you a comically small plastic hammer
points at Mt Rushmore
