Your dreams and imagination evolved as a view into another universe. As with the current beliefs, you cannot decipher technical information – no words in books, no details of how devices work, so even if you can describe things you see from another place, you could not reproduce a working version.
Now how do you convince others that the things your are seeing are really happening without being labeled insane? And how could you use this information to benefit yourself or others? Take a peek into the multiverse to see how other versions of yourself have solved these problems…
Oh, I’ve got something unexpected for you. I got bored listening to people going on and on about the Universe being a simulation, so I built a machine that can check if you’re in some (but not all) classes of a simulated Universe. Take that, Plato!
It works using Bell’s Theorem and the limitations of Turing machines. The former shows that for some types of measurements, the outcomes are purely probabilistic, and do not contain hidden deterministic variables (seems like a dumb way to design a Universe for simulation!). Then Turing machines are capable of computing anything that can be defined as an algorithm (but only things that can be defined in an algorithm!).
Since the former provides a non-deterministic measurement that the latter cannot model, you make a machine that produces those measurements, and ties them to something on a bigger scale (stock market purchases, social media posts, whatever). Then you keep the measurements, and attempt to determine whether they were actually generated with an algorithm (this is very hard but possible in theory – sort of like reversing a hash). Meanwhile in the Universe upstairs, for the results to appear random enough so that analysis is nontrivial, it must consume extra computation in whatever device is running the simulation. In short, I’m doing a thing that consumes extra processing power.
So logically, if this Universe is being simulated, and someone is observing the machine closely that is doing the simulating, I can pass messages encoded in CPU activity. Just like in computer security where you can extract encryption keys by looking at a video of your power LED!
So if I’m not actually typing this on my laptop right now – but really am sleeping/dreaming with some equivalent to an EEG monitor or MRI or whatever in some other Universe – someone may be able to conclude whether this Universe is being generated by my mind or not. In the former case, they may have their answer, but have not woken me up yet. At that time, regrettably, your continued existence is not guaranteed. Sorry about that, but there was science to do!
If you would like to use the device I have built, you can do that. Because of course it’s sitting on my desk, connected to a server via MQTT, and subsequently connected to a Lemmy bot. If you message kong_ming on my instance (with a non-blank message), it will use the device as an entropy source to generate an I Ching reading. You know, to help you answer personal questions with only a vanishingly small likelyhood of causing the Universe to cease existing. Sometimes it is down for maintenance, although I just checked in on it now and it seems OK.
I also have a second such device, at an undisclosed location, that is designed to work with a coffee machine. You know, for those times you want coffee that’s simultaneously caffeinated and decaffeinated until you drink it.
Anyway, there you go. I’ve added a feature to the fediverse, I guess.
If our universe is being simulated on somebody’s desktop computer then yeah maybe, but if you were going to simulate a whole universe wouldn’t you at least have a decent random number generator to prevent easily-detectable patterns?
If we assume a malicious intelligence simulating a universe with goal of not being detected, all bets are off – this technique only works in a few cases, and that’s probably not one of them. Also if it’s true, I think we have bigger problems :D
There are a whole bunch of other assumptions too – like the universe running the simulation has entropy and time that work the same way as ours. It’s no magic simulation-detecting bullet – but it’s the only technique I could think of to make any progress whatsoever on the underlying philosophical question! A mote in the eye of a fictional God, so to speak.
In the hard sense, there are no such thing as random number generators on computers. With sufficient starting entropy and computing power, you can generate a mostly reasonable approximation. However, this must use more computing power than not doing it, which is the “signal” we’re sending out to be detected by a fictional observer in the scenario the OP presented.
Interestingly, this technique is used to exfiltrate data from secure computers – e.g. by making the CPU do slightly more work sometimes and modulating that to send data e.g. by radio emission, hard drive noise, power LED brightness changes, and so on. Here’s a generic one for you, if you’re curious: https://thesai.org/Publications/ViewPaper?Volume=9&Issue=1&Code=IJACSA&SerialNo=25
Also, there are sometimes interesting and strange artifacts even with our everyday “random” number generators. I read a really neat paper about that ten years ago, comparing the artifacts of random number generators across operating systems, which sadly I can’t seem to find for you presently. There’s an OK example for you here though: https://www.random.org/analysis/ under “simple visual analysis”.
That kind of weird pattern is pretty typical of most ‘random number’ functions used in software that aren’t security-facing (and sadly sometimes even ones that are). For cryptographically secure random numbers (more like the image to the left than the image to the right on that site), they are more computationally expensive to produce.
even if you can describe things you see from another place, you could not reproduce a working version.
If you can’t functionally use any information from the other universe or vice versa, then what’s the difference between a real universe or a fake one.
Honestly it comes down to a similar question about whether or not you are living in the Matrix. If you can’t change or control anything, then it doesn’t make a difference. But if you can find a way to hack the system, what could you do with it? I’m enjoying seeing the different theories that everyone has.
I had dreams of omnipotence. Including omniscience - they knew I was dreaming of them. In fact, one of them was particularly aggravated that I was aware of them.
If those universes are real, then they could contact me in this one.
They have not. So those gods aren’t real.
I dunno what this changed.
You dream of things you’ve seen others accomplish. As you accomplish and grow yourself, your dreams will become reality, leaving room for new dreams to occupy your mind.
There are a few ways it can be proven.
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If the parallel universes are different versions of our own, I can use them to get information I couldn’t get in my own universe. For example, if it’s a universe where North Korea has an open border policy, I could walk in and observe my surroundings, then end the dream and describe things about North Korea nobody knows about. Though this is not super hard proof.
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I could venture into the parallel universe to get a better understanding of physics, and people in my universe would know something is up because I came back knowing about how things work that the average person could never know. Though, again, this is not super hard proof.
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I can play Marco Polo with other sleepers from my universe to see if I can find them in the parallel universe, using a system of identification that cannot be impersonated if any entity tried. This would be hard proof, but it would require that people end up in the same parallel universes.
I think most of what you’re describing would require focused lucid dreaming, and with #3 it would require that you meet others who are also lucid dreaming? Sure that can be done, but #2 requires you to bring back critical details that the right brain just doesn’t seem to be able to handle. This does give me an idea that might get around that limitation though – what if you could remember images of artwork created in other realities? Basically steal their classic masterpieces (of course I’m still limited in that I cannot paint). And curiously, #1 sounds very much like the descriptions of remote viewing that are supposed to be proof that ESP is real but always fall apart because some details are wrong – exactly what you would expect from an alternate reality though…
